SonomaBouliste


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bolligra wrote:I've always been a little confused about the dumb phase. My understanding is a red wine quits developing and goes dumb about the fifth year and comes out of it in about the eight. So, does that mean it shouldn't be drunk during that period, i.e. Is it actually worse in the sixth than it would be in, say, the fourth year? Or does it just maintain whatever level it was when the dumb period begins? Is something noticeable to you guys with good palates if you drink wine while it's dumb? Thanks for any clarity.



You couldn't ask a simple question, could you?

Unfortunately, many aspects of wine quality are both subjective AND highly variable. The 5 -8 y.o. dumb phase is, at best, a generalization for top Bordeaux wines in a "typical" (if we even know what that is anymore) vintage. It certainly isn't a hard and fast rule that can be applied to all red wines. Some will be completely dead before they are 8 y.o., while others may be very backward and tight at 8 y.o. The wine doesn't quit developing; "dumb phase" is typified by a diminution of fruit aroma intensity without a lot of development of complex, secondary aromas ("bouquet"). Most people perceive wines in this stage to be less aromatic ("closed in"). Unfortunately, there is no sure fire way to know when a wine is in a dumb phase other than tasting that particular vintage regularly. Some wines never go through a dumb phase at all.

BTW: turkeys can fly (at least the wild ones can), and have an amazingly powerful, near vertical, takeoff.

tmacfarlan


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It's been nearly a year and a half since I've bought wine from woot, and that was a Wellington deal. I had a lot of backlogged wine to drink through, and took my time getting through it all.

Every time I've visited the winery and tasting room, the reception has been pleasant to say the least. Wellington's Syrah is the kind of thing you call your wine buddies over to try after opening a bottle and taking your first sip. Especially the 2002. I still have one last bottle of that, and I'm thinking it'll be perfect with the braised duck I'm cooking up for Thanksgiving.

Since it's time to stock up for 2014 and I don't drink nearly as much as I used to (quitting that job was the best thing I've ever done for my health), I'm in for one. See you when the balsamic comes back, Wine.Woot!

ddeuddeg


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SonomaBouliste wrote:BTW: turkeys can fly (at least the wild ones can), and have an amazingly powerful, near vertical, takeoff.

However, the domestic ones raised for consumption this time of year, dropped from a helicopter onto a parking lot in Cincinnati in a T-day promo for (fictional) radio station WKRP, failed the flying test miserably, and fell to the ground "like sacks of wet cement," to quote newsman Les Nessman.

"Always keep a bottle of Champagne in the fridge for special occasions. Sometimes the special occasion is that you've got a bottle of Champagne in the fridge". - Hester Browne


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SonomaBouliste


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ddeuddeg wrote:However, the domestic ones raised for consumption this time of year, dropped from a helicopter onto a parking lot in Cincinnati in a T-day promo for (fictional) radio station WKRP, failed the flying test miserably, and fell to the ground "like sacks of wet cement," to quote newsman Les Nessman.



I believe that, sir. I had a friend who worked for a very large turkey breeder. They did, indeed, breed very large turkeys; a coworker of his had to pick up a bird that weighed 90 lbs. He likened it to trying to pick up a garbage bag full of jello.

SonomaBouliste


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ddeuddeg wrote:However, the domestic ones raised for consumption this time of year, dropped from a helicopter onto a parking lot in Cincinnati in a T-day promo for (fictional) radio station WKRP, failed the flying test miserably, and fell to the ground "like sacks of wet cement," to quote newsman Les Nessman.



I believe that, sir. I had a friend who worked for a very large turkey breeder. They did, indeed, breed very large turkeys; a coworker of his had to pick up a bird that weighed 90 lbs. He likened it to trying to pick up a garbage bag full of jello.

Oops, sorry about the double post!

drgonzo99


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Bah! Vermont wants Wellington!!!

chipgreen


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Peter, thanks for answering cellar questions today. How do you feel about the ageability of the '05 thru '07 Estate Zins?

SonomaBouliste


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chipgreen wrote:Peter, thanks for answering cellar questions today. How do you feel about the ageability of the '05 thru '07 Estate Zins?



All should be good to at least 12 years from vintage date (4 more years for the '05). They'll probably still be quite enjoyable at 15, but 20 would be a risk.

joeman123


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So happy to have a wine fridge. It is full, but the holidays are coming and Wellingtons are awesome to fill it up.

At these prices, they are great for a present for a party, a person who just loves wine. It is a very good value.

In for two, Peter!

How are your cabs selling? I would love to see some cabs on woot sometime soon. They are really your best wines IMO.

fredrinaldi


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In Vegas for annual "Thanksgiving"
NO CAB on this offer??? awe come on

fredrinaldi


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joeman123 wrote:So happy to have a wine fridge. It is full, but the holidays are coming and Wellingtons are awesome to fill it up.

At these prices, they are great for a present for a party, a person who just loves wine. It is a very good value.

In for two, Peter!

How are your cabs selling? I would love to see some cabs on woot sometime soon. They are really your best wines IMO.



here, here more Cabs......

pdunbarunc


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So sad, love wellington, but not for GA apparently.

bolligra


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SonomaBouliste wrote:You couldn't ask a simple question, could you?

Unfortunately, many aspects of wine quality are both subjective AND highly variable. The 5 -8 y.o. dumb phase is, at best, a generalization for top Bordeaux wines in a "typical" (if we even know what that is anymore) vintage. It certainly isn't a hard and fast rule that can be applied to all red wines. Some will be completely dead before they are 8 y.o., while others may be very backward and tight at 8 y.o. The wine doesn't quit developing; "dumb phase" is typified by a diminution of fruit aroma intensity without a lot of development of complex, secondary aromas ("bouquet"). Most people perceive wines in this stage to be less aromatic ("closed in"). Unfortunately, there is no sure fire way to know when a wine is in a dumb phase other than tasting that particular vintage regularly. Some wines never go through a dumb phase at all.

BTW: turkeys can fly (at least the wild ones can), and have an amazingly powerful, near vertical, takeoff.



Thanks for (somewhat) clearing that up for me. As for your aside, ddeuddeg is spot on! 😺


As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly.

rjquillin


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NightGhost wrote:Never had a Wellington I didn't like. Autobuy.

Resistance was futile..

CT

losthighwayz


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PnP a 2008 Englandcrest Syrah since I am very tempted by ttis offer (and trying to convince myself to go in). Fruit sems muted and tannins are green. Not helping me push that button! Peter, is this. the norm? The nose is great, what I like in syrahs (meaty, dark fruits) but the tAste simply isnt matching at this point.....

"The older I get the better I was"

SmilingBoognish


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losthighwayz wrote:PnP a 2008 Englandcrest Syrah since I am very tempted by ttis offer (and trying to convince myself to go in). Fruit sems muted and tannins are green. Not helping me push that button! Peter, is this. the norm? The nose is great, what I like in syrahs (meaty, dark fruits) but the tAste simply isnt matching at this point.....



My experience with other vintages of England Crest Syrah is that you need food with the wine, and that the wine needs more time in the bottle. As mentioned earlier, the difference of 3 or 4 years was remarkable.

rjquillin


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Lost, Klez,
check email

CT

klezman


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SonomaBouliste wrote:If you have aging questions about previous w00t offerings I'll be happy to address those also; just let me know which wine(s).



Hey Peter,
I need to actually write this down this time around, but I'm always stymied when I think about reaching for one of the single-vineyard Cabs. I've got 2005 and 2006 of all 3 and 2007 Karren. Thoughts?
Also, how's the 2005/6/7 Victory doing?
Thanks!

Edit: I see Victory was answered above at 12-15 years from vintage for you, and closer to 20 for rpm.

2014: 42 bottles. Last wine.woot: 2012 Iron Horse Estate Chardonnay
2013: 66 bottles, 2012: 91 bottles, 2011: 92 bottles, 2010: 74 bottles, 2009: 30 bottles, 2008: 3 bottles My CT

SmilingBoognish


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klezman wrote:Hey Peter,
I need to actually write this down this time around, but I'm always stymied when I think about reaching for one of the single-vineyard Cabs. I've got 2005 and 2006 of all 3 and 2007 Karren. Thoughts?



I'm not Peter, but this weekend I did look at some of my Wellington VD cabs, trying to decide on opening one over the holidays. For the 2005's I scrawled 2013-2017 on both the Morhardt Ridge and the Handal-Denier. On the Karren I wrote 2015+. These dates were based on last time Peter answered the questions. His thinking may have evolved, and he is sure to have comments about windows on the '06 and '07 vintages.

rjquillin


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Let me add an '03 Karren to the mix, and verify '06~'08 on the Mohrhardt.
And I found a lost 2000 Hulen, as well as a couple '01 and '02 Syrahs.

CT

losthighwayz


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rjquillin wrote:Lost, Klez,
check email



Replied but my iPad claims your email is invalid. I'll take the 3 Sonoma Zins and one Merlot if Klez ok with it....

"The older I get the better I was"

kylemittskus


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losthighwayz wrote:PnP a 2008 Englandcrest Syrah since I am very tempted by ttis offer (and trying to convince myself to go in). Fruit sems muted and tannins are green. Not helping me push that button! Peter, is this. the norm? The nose is great, what I like in syrahs (meaty, dark fruits) but the tAste simply isnt matching at this point.....



Klez and I both had off bottles of that wine.

"If drinking is bitter, change yourself to wine." -Rainer Maria Rilke

"Champagne is a very kind and friendly thing on a rainy night." -Isak Dinesen

toddly_35


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What the heck happened to shipping to georgia! Is this a cruel joke I can't get my Wellington fix anymore?

rjquillin


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losthighwayz wrote:Replied but my iPad claims your email is invalid. I'll take the 3 Sonoma Zins and one Merlot if Klez ok with it....

you need to fix you ipad, email arrived.

CT

ROGETRAY


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toddly_35 wrote:What the heck happened to shipping to georgia! Is this a cruel joke I can't get my Wellington fix anymore?



Wine.Woot is currently not able to offer wine deals in certain states, but will be opening up additional states as laws and regulations regarding selling wine online continue to evolve.

You're welcome to also check out this thread to discuss and talk about current Wine Shipping Laws

acompdude


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Onerous Massive Family Gathering! I just went to buy this and Georgia is not on the list. Georgia is almost always on the list of states to ship to. Man this sucks!!!

mikegberg


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Anyone still waiting for this? Mine had an original delivery date of Saturday 12/7, but has not been scanned since arriving at the FedEx location on 12/3. Destination is suburban NY.

I know the recent storms have been holding things up, but I would have at least expected a departure scan by now.

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yellclimber


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Mine arrive, but at least two bottles were damaged. The corks were pushed out of the top and wine was leaking. It was really cold in WY, so maybe the shipment froze in the delivery truck enroute. I sent a note to customer service, but I haven't gotten an acknowledgment that they received it. How long does it usually take to hear back from them? Thanks.