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Villa Chiara Italian Cabernet Sauvignon (6)

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Cesare


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Villa Chiara Italian Cabernet Sauvignon 6-Pack
$59.99 $̶1̶0̶7̶.̶0̶0̶ 44% off List Price
2011 Villa Chiara Delle Venezie Italian Cabernet Sauvignon
CT link above

-il Cesare
Sole Absolute Triple
Exalted High Tastemaster Supreme
“In the entire world there are only a few sounds that bring joy to all but the most jaded. One is the murmur of a kitten purring. Another is the thwack of a well-pitched baseball hitting a perfectly swung bat. And the third is the pop of a cork being pulled from a bottle of wine.” —George Taber

rjquillin


quality posts: 179 Private Messages rjquillin

A $10 Italian Cab?
Ok, I'm listening, tell me more...

jimjacks66, you know something here?

CT

jimjacks66


quality posts: 32 Private Messages jimjacks66
rjquillin wrote:A $10 Italian Cab?
Ok, I'm listening, tell me more...



Rjquillin, I know nothing but a $10 Italian Cab with lower alcohol % is very intriguing to me. Thus my first sucker designation. If any in Seattle wish to share given the limited current ship-to state
"issue", give me a PM.

mikepav


quality posts: 1 Private Messages mikepav

Does anyone know how long this wine will stay drinkable?

noslensj


quality posts: 42 Private Messages noslensj

I was at home yesterday, working in my office as usual, when the doorbell rang upstairs. I opened the door to see a screaming monkey in a red cape, jumping up and down and turning the occasional somersault. When the monkey saw me he stopped for a moment, and thrust out to me a package he was carrying. After I had the package in hand, he started screaming again, scratched himself in the manner monkeys are wont, and scampered off. Frannie Dobson and Cathy Gilbrander apparently had been chatting by the mailboxes on the side of the street when the monkey appeared at my door, and they were now staring at the monkey and me with expressions on their faces that you seldom have the chance to see on someone’s face and that you hope you never show to someone else, at least not to someone you care about.

I watched the monkey’s course as he took off across lawns and yards (that the monkey was a "he" was unmistakable due to the somersaults), thoroughly incited the Doberman inside the invisible fence in Frannie’s yard, disappearing at last into the green belt down the road behind Cathy’s house where I could hear his screaming getting fainter and fainter.

I was a bit taken aback by everything, and when I opened the package I muttered to myself, “Well, I’ll be a monkey’s uncle!” For there, before me, was a bottle of Villa Chiara 2011 Cabernet Sauvignon. “What a delight,” I thought. “We’ll enjoy this with the steak we’re going to be grilling tomorrow night.”

Unfortunately, the monkey apparently gave me something else as well, for I spent the afternoon today knocked down by a passing GI bug. Fortunately I’m back on my feet and while I’m not completely over it I’m feeling well enough to do some tasting in moderation. So I’m sipping and making notes as I complete some of the work that I didn’t get done this afternoon. I’ll probably have some notes to post in a couple of hours.

cheap2


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cheap2 wrote:



WUNNERFUL!!

noslensj


quality posts: 42 Private Messages noslensj

With my circumstances I set this up to do some tasting over several hours, in small amounts at each tasting point. The label on the bottle says to uncork one hour before serving and consume with roasts.

  • 8 pm
    Opened and poured half the bottle into a decanter as well as small pour for a pop and taste. The remainder in the bottle was restoppered.

    Color is dark garnet. Dense, but not opaque. No legs. Little sparkle or brilliance on the edges. No nose to speak of; traces of dark fruit and darker spice – currant maybe, with some clove and nutmeg. Synthetic cork closure, for those who care about such things.

    Much more open on the palate. Some added notes of cherry and a bit of acidity. A very small amount of tannin arrives mid-palate. Even in the few minutes in the glass the wine is becoming brighter, though the nose isn’t evolving much. Brighter fruits are now front and center. Moderate roundness in the mouth. Flavors easily sustain over three or four minutes on the roof and palate; with some bite at the back of the mouth persisting for awhile. Initial thought is that this is stands a good chance of emerging.

  • 9 pm
    From the stoppered bottle: Showing more legs. Nose is stronger and more evolved. The darker notes are more prominent; there’s just a bit of a deep note that I can’t place but is seductive to my nose. On the palate, flavor is still dominated by brighter fruits, but those notes aren’t quite as sharp as previously, replaced by a bit more roundedness and mouthfeel. A nice touch of acidity, with a more tannin making an appearance.

    From the decanter. Similar nose. Profile brighter, with a very prominent strawberry note. Good rounded mouthpresence, but not silky or velvety. . Tannins continuing to emerge. Acidity and heat in balance. Would be nice to have the pH and TA.

  • 10 pm
    From the bottle. Nose continuing to get evolve. In the mouth very definitely continuing to open up. Maybe of cinnamon note as well. Very sippable on its own. Definitely brighter than typical cabs,

    From the decanter. The decanter is now decidedly darker than the bottle and seems to me to be falling apart. The bright notes have disappeared, and what remains is pretty mediocre; since this juice never had the deep notes of many cabs, after dissipation of the bright notes gone there really isn’t very much left.

    Makes me think that it’s possible to give this too much air. As a test I ran a bit of the decanted wine through a Vinturi to see what would happen with even more air. Still very flat compared to the pour from the bottle. Let the rest of the V’d pour sit for three or four minutes, and it is definitely shot.

  • 11 pm
    No change from the 10 pm notes.

  • Summary
    Fruit forward, very easy to drink on it’s own and a “drink now” offering. I don’t pick up anything that tempts me to think about socking this away. Would also an easy choice to bring to a party that isn’t a serious wine drinking affair.

    Needs some air to open up, but it appears to be easy to kill it with too much air. I recommend following the bottle recommendations to open an hour before serving, but don’t decant unless you can’t give it the recommended hour of breathing time. If you do decant, don’t try to stretch out the bottle.

    Definitely more bright fruit than most cabs, to the point where I could see this being challenged by a very deep and strongly flavored slab of beef. But roast game, flank steak, even pizza – IMHO this would be a nice choice.

    I don’t think I’ve ever had a labeled Italian CS before. But if I were involved with a blind tasting of cabs and someone told me that one of them was Italian, I think there’s an excellent chance that this is the one I would pick.

    No obvious defects, and well done for the style it is. I don’t think it’s anything to sock away, but I don’t think that was intended to be that. I don’t think it’s going to fall apart immediately – there seems to be enough acidity and underlying structure to hold up for the short run, But I can’t see it holding up for any more than a year, if that. As a rough rule of thumb, I expect that wines that would handle storage should show better now with added air; some elements of what would emerge with age are brought out by aeration. But it was the reverse with this wine; too much air pretty much killed it.

    I’m on a pretty severe SIWBM, but at $10/bottle, I will go in for at least one and enjoy it over the next six to nine months.



******

update 4 pm Saturday. Now two hours after opening. Wine kept overnight in stoppered bottle and unstoppered decanter.

  • from the decanter.

    Nose unchanged. On the palate is is somewhat brighter than it was last night. Still a touch of tannin and some bite. Overall it's still well-balanced and drinkable, though not at all deep and complex. Actually, I'm surprised at how well it held up overnight.

  • from the bottle

    More nose from the bottle than the decanter. The bottle still is brighter than the decanter, though it's clearly fading from where it was last night. Still balanced and enjoyable.

noslensj


quality posts: 42 Private Messages noslensj
jimjacks66 wrote:Rjquillin, I know nothing but a $10 Italian Cab with lower alcohol % is very intriguing to me. Thus my first sucker designation. If any in Seattle wish to share given the limited current ship-to state
"issue", give me a PM.



Jim - I'd split except that I'm going for a full order.

jds4life


quality posts: 6 Private Messages jds4life

Whoa. This stuff can't be shipped to Minnesota. I thought anything could be shipped to Minnesota. Is there something unique about this offering, or did our nutty governor do something to restrict online wine sales?

johnmi4455


quality posts: 0 Private Messages johnmi4455

Just when I wanted buy some ..Add MI to the list of no shipping. When will this get fixed??

rjquillin


quality posts: 179 Private Messages rjquillin
johnmi4455 wrote:Just when I wanted buy some ..Add MI to the list of no shipping. When will this get fixed??

has MI been on other international offerings, these typically are much more limited than normal offerings, if those even exist for the moment.

CT

gtcharlie


quality posts: 6 Private Messages gtcharlie

Sometimes I almost envy you folks living in other states. It seems Everything ships to Illinois always leaving me with a tough decision. Given those tasting notes I am leaning towards going in for one. Anyone else had this wine and could push me off the fence?

jcassens5


quality posts: 8 Private Messages jcassens5
rjquillin wrote:has MI been on other international offerings, these typically are much more limited than normal offerings, if those even exist for the moment.




Bah! No Michigan again this time!! I've seen us off the list on other offerings recently, but I haven't checked every time... is it for all wines to MI now?!?

dlschier


quality posts: 0 Private Messages dlschier
jcassens5 wrote:Bah! No Michigan again this time!! I've seen us off the list on other offerings recently, but I haven't checked every time... is it for all wines to MI now?!?



I can see that MI has been excluded all week. My guess is that they are caught up in the abundance of caution policy that Woot is employing with regard to the new interpretation of existing law.

strean


quality posts: 1 Private Messages strean
noslensj wrote:With my circumstances I set this up to do some tasting over several hours, in small amounts at each tasting point. The label on the bottle says to uncork one hour before serving and consume with roasts.

  • 8 pm
    Opened and poured half the bottle into a decanter as well as small pour for a pop and taste. The remainder in the bottle was restoppered.

    Color is dark garnet. Dense, but not opaque. No legs. Little sparkle or brilliance on the edges. No nose to speak of; traces of dark fruit and darker spice – currant maybe, with some clove and nutmeg. Synthetic cork closure, for those who care about such things.

    Much more open on the palate. Some added notes of cherry and a bit of acidity. A very small amount of tannin arrives mid-palate. Even in the few minutes in the glass the wine is becoming brighter, though the nose isn’t evolving much. Brighter fruits are now front and center. Moderate roundness in the mouth. Flavors easily sustain over three or four minutes on the roof and palate; with some bite at the back of the mouth persisting for awhile. Initial thought is that this is stands a good chance of emerging.

  • 9 pm
    From the stoppered bottle: Showing more legs. Nose is stronger and more evolved. The darker notes are more prominent; there’s just a bit of a deep note that I can’t place but is seductive to my nose. On the palate, flavor is still dominated by brighter fruits, but those notes aren’t quite as sharp as previously, replaced by a bit more roundedness and mouthfeel. A nice touch of acidity, with a more tannin making an appearance.

    From the decanter. Similar nose. Profile brighter, with a very prominent strawberry note. Good rounded mouthpresence, but not silky or velvety. . Tannins continuing to emerge. Acidity and heat in balance. Would be nice to have the pH and TA.

  • 10 pm
    From the bottle. Nose continuing to get evolve. In the mouth very definitely continuing to open up. Maybe of cinnamon note as well. Very sippable on its own. Definitely brighter than typical cabs,

    From the decanter. The decanter is now decidedly darker than the bottle and seems to me to be falling apart. The bright notes have disappeared, and what remains is pretty mediocre; since this juice never had the deep notes of many cabs, after dissipation of the bright notes gone there really isn’t very much left.

    Makes me think that it’s possible to give this too much air. As a test I ran a bit of the decanted wine through a Vinturi to see what would happen with even more air. Still very flat compared to the pour from the bottle. Let the rest of the V’d pour sit for three or four minutes, and it is definitely shot.

  • 11 pm
    No change from the 10 pm notes.

  • Summary
    Fruit forward, very easy to drink on it’s own and a “drink now” offering. I don’t pick up anything that tempts me to think about socking this away. Would also an easy choice to bring to a party that isn’t a serious wine drinking affair.

    Needs some air to open up, but it appears to be easy to kill it with too much air. I recommend following the bottle recommendations to open an hour before serving, but don’t decant unless you can’t give it the recommended hour of breathing time. If you do decant, don’t try to stretch out the bottle.

    Definitely more bright fruit than most cabs, to the point where I could see this being challenged by a very deep and strongly flavored. But roast game, flank steak, even pizza – IMHO this would be a nice choice.

    I don’t think I’ve ever had a labeled Italian CS before. But if I were involved with a blind tasting of cabs and someone told me that one of them was Italian, I think there’s an excellent chance that this is the one I would pick.

    No obvious defects, and well done for the style it is. I don’t think it’s anything to sock away, but I don’t think that was intended to be that. I don’t think it’s going to fall apart immediately – there seems to be enough acidity and underlying structure to hold up for the short run, But I can’t see it holding up for any more than a year, if that. As a rough rule of thumb, I expect that wines that would handle storage should show better now with added air; some elements of what would emerge with age are brought out by aeration. But it was the reverse with this wine; too much air pretty much killed it.

    I’m on a pretty severe SIWBM, but at $10/bottle, I will go in for at least one and enjoy it over the next six to nine months.



Thanks for the review. It is much appreciated.

melaniestl


quality posts: 1 Private Messages melaniestl

Again, no shipping to Missouri. Someone nudge me when I can actually buy something from woot.

manhandsha


quality posts: 37 Private Messages manhandsha

Staff

Hey guys- I know it's disappointing to not be able to have wine shipped to some locations, but we're doing what we can with the current restrictions that are in place. Things are constantly changing, so keep checking back! Again, I'm sorry.

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xibbumbero


quality posts: 5 Private Messages xibbumbero

Is this akin to buying a pizza at a Chinese restaurant?

slm9951


quality posts: 14 Private Messages slm9951
manhandsha wrote:Hey guys- I know it's disappointing to not be able to have wine shipped to some locations, but we're doing what we can with the current restrictions that are in place. Things are constantly changing, so keep checking back! Again, I'm sorry.



Do you have any idea if this even includes the situation in VA at this time as well?

noslensj


quality posts: 42 Private Messages noslensj
xibbumbero wrote:Is this akin to buying a pizza at a Chinese restaurant?

I would say that the wine is what it is. The name doesn't mean as much as whether it is something that someone would like. I put in an order because it's something that I can easily see myself enjoying.

As to the pizza in a Chinese restaurant analogy, there's a lot of "pizza" being made these days that doesn't come from Italian restaurants and that in my youth anyone who called it "pizza" would be mocked pretty severely.

chipgreen


quality posts: 197 Private Messages chipgreen
slm9951 wrote:Do you have any idea if this even includes the situation in VA at this time as well?


The VA restrictions are a separate issue. They specifically passed a law requiring third party wine/alcohol merchants to register as an agricultural co-op. The requirements to be approved as such and/or the licensing fees involved are apparently too much to deal with and it doesn't look like wine.woot will ship to VA anytime in the near future.

The problem with the other recently blackballed states appears to stem from NY laws which were recently re-interpreted in such a way that prevents wine.woot from shipping to NY as part of the state's "three tier" system. Apparently, NY laws contain language similar to that of other states, which has caused temporary disruptions in service to those states as well.

That's my understanding of what's going on based on the little bit of information that's floating around.
There is a discussion thread specifically about NY related shipping issues, and this conversation should really be taking place there, so I am going to cross-post this message to that thread which can be found HERE.

fredrinaldi


quality posts: 36 Private Messages fredrinaldi

it's been awhile, and I AM ITALIAN, so why not

fredrinaldi


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fredrinaldi wrote:it's been awhile, and I AM ITALIAN, so why not



EDIT;
Last Wooter to Woot:fredrinaldi

noslensj


quality posts: 42 Private Messages noslensj
fredrinaldi wrote:it's been awhile, and I AM ITALIAN, so why not


I actually thought about you when I was writing the review - trying to connect in some with our similar progressions regarding Copa cab.


fredrinaldi


quality posts: 36 Private Messages fredrinaldi
noslensj wrote:I actually thought about you when I was writing the review - trying to connect in some with our similar progressions regarding Copa cab.




fredrinaldi


quality posts: 36 Private Messages fredrinaldi
noslensj wrote:I actually thought about you when I was writing the review - trying to connect in some with our similar progressions regarding Copa cab.


Oh please tell me it's not at the Copa level, please, please, please.

noslensj


quality posts: 42 Private Messages noslensj
fredrinaldi wrote:Oh please tell me it's not at the Copa level, please, please, please.



Not at all, Fred. Had I mentioned Copa it would have been to assure any wondering wooters that it is not at all like Copa. But in that vein I could extend my thoughts.

I put the Copa in with the large market of mass markket cabernet that line the shelves of grocery stores (in states that allow such) in the the $8 to $12 range. They are all soft, rounded, semi-dry at most, and innocuous. Mirrasou and Barefoot, in my mind, are exemplars of what I'm thinking of. Most of the wines in that category I can't take for more than half a glass. And to me that right where Copa sits. It's pretty much Mirassou, at half the price.

funbunny


quality posts: 26 Private Messages funbunny
gtcharlie wrote:Sometimes I almost envy you folks living in other states. It seems Everything ships to Illinois always leaving me with a tough decision. Given those tasting notes I am leaning towards going in for one. Anyone else had this wine and could push me off the fence?



I envy other states too because there are only three of us in Illinois that want to get a gathering together anymore.

"Wine is sunshine held together by water" - Galileo Galilei

noslensj


quality posts: 42 Private Messages noslensj
funbunny wrote:I envy other states too because there are only three of us in Illinois that want to get a gathering together anymore.



It's not the state. We don't ever get more turnout than that for our western Washington events.

rjquillin


quality posts: 179 Private Messages rjquillin
noslensj wrote:It's not the state. We don't ever get more turnout than that for our western Washington events.

Despite the many issues CA may have, we don't lack for frequency of events or turnout!

CT