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Mirage "Not Bad Fizzy Cab" (12)

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Cesare


quality posts: 1471 Private Messages Cesare

Mirage 2009 "Not Bad Fizzy Cabernet" Case
$87.99 $̶2̶7̶1̶.̶0̶0̶ 68% off List Price
2009 Mirage Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon, Monterey County
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rpr63501


quality posts: 1 Private Messages rpr63501

I got this last time around and would not recommend it. It's 'not bad Mirage' but not all that good, either. There is some strange mouth feel to this wine that I can't quite grasp. At first, it feels slightly bubbly, but even after letting it breathe, there is something not quite right. It's cheap and won't make you sick, but is that enough to make you buy this? I'd never buy it again and still have a lot of bottles left over.

North316


quality posts: 107 Private Messages North316
rpr63501 wrote: There is some strange mouth feel to this wine that I can't quite grasp.



That would be the "Fizzy" part which is unintentional secondary in-bottle fermentation which was discussed at length during the original offering. If you failed to read that discussion and purchased this blindly, you should probably go back and read through the thread.

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coolchris160


quality posts: 44 Private Messages coolchris160

I tired this tonight at the MN wine.woot gathering. Granted, it had been decanting for at least 2 hours, but I thought it was a pretty decent wine for <$10. I really think the key is giving it time to breath to allow the fizz to subside (unless you like fizz in your wine.)

fossil2u


quality posts: 2 Private Messages fossil2u

Bought this last time around. Exactly as described upon arrival - not bad fizzy cab! As suggested during previous offerings, after opening the bottle I use a Houdini to "get the fizz out", and **poof** the fizzy disappears. After leaving the bottle open to breath, i'd say it's better than "not bad", without the fizz. Is it great - nope, but hard to beat at the price.

elldee


quality posts: 4 Private Messages elldee

Reading these comments jogged my memory. My nona was very old world Italian and always had a little wine with meals. We grandchildren were allowed to have a splash in our ginger ale, enough to turn it pink. Fizzy red wine...I just might try it.

dianefreda


quality posts: 9 Private Messages dianefreda
coolchris160 wrote:I tired this tonight at the MN wine.woot gathering. Granted, it had been decanting for at least 2 hours, but I thought it was a pretty decent wine for <$10. I really think the key is giving it time to breath to allow the fizz to subside (unless you like fizz in your wine.)



Same here-if allowed to decant for over two hours you have yourself a very decent wine-this is a good deal.

dmallette


quality posts: 2 Private Messages dmallette
North316 wrote:That would be the "Fizzy" part which is unintentional secondary in-bottle fermentation which was discussed at length during the original offering. If you failed to read that discussion and purchased this blindly, you should probably go back and read through the thread.


Yep! I purchased last time and for the price was not disappointed. I decanted the wine for 2 hours and all the fizz was gone. For $8 a bottle, it's a GREAT everyday drinker.

In for TWO. boom.

andreaserben


quality posts: 21 Private Messages andreaserben

I decided to bring this to the MN gathering last night, because I thought "OK, I have nothing to impress the pros/semi-pros there with - so, what would be helpful to the community?".
I ended up taking the Noceto up on sale right now on Wine.Woot Plus and.... tadaaaa the Mirage.
Nobody gave me advance notice/any indication that this would be up on sale again, I never got a lab rat bottle either, but I figured "this was one of the most controversial offerings lately.... let us give other folks the chance to chip in their 2 cents".
I did not get a tasting bottle of it either, but I gave the community a hard time with being doubtful about the offering....
so with not much further ado.... my notes....

the group who tried it was a mixed crowd, mixed preferences: beer lovers, cab fans, zin-fan-atics, sweet Riesling/moscato friends... you name it. one was a chef by profession.
I brought a seriously big, heavy decanter and poured it in there around 6:30 pm, even put a Post-it on the decanter to let it decant 2+ hours and shook and swirled it vigorously.


a few folks took the opportunity to taste the wine with the fizz still there:
most said that this seems to have potential to be a rather big Cab. nose and color were good. tasting was weird because of the fizz being the overwhelming sensation on the tongue. not bubbly, but prickly.
fast forward 3-4 hours at least and some serious swirling ->
completely different.
first of all, no fizz left.
my personal experience was, that it was very oaky with some cedar notes over a good body. did not get a lot of fruitiness out of it, but others might disagree, wine tasting is fairly personal.
everybody agreed that it was NOT bad at this point. note that a previous bottle I had did not come across as being so oaky. variations between bottles can happen, but none were 'bad' so far.
another fellow wooter who owns this would open the bottle and decant typically when preparing lunch, but then drink at dinner.
note that at least for me, the bottles I had were different after all, it can be an inconsistent wine. no single bottle was bad though after the fizz was gone.
what you get is a bottle of wine that without the fizz would easily be a good value at $20-$25. it would not be a $30-$50+ bottle, but what you pay for is depending on if you unlocked free shipping and depending on your sales tax about $8-$9.
so, in my humble opinion, once you unfizzed it, it will be one of the best QPRs you can get on woot (if you like Cabs at all).
This is just my personal opinion and I am getting nothing out of it sharing it.

knotworking


quality posts: 10 Private Messages knotworking
rpr63501 wrote:I got this last time around and would not recommend it. It's 'not bad Mirage' but not all that good, either. There is some strange mouth feel to this wine that I can't quite grasp. At first, it feels slightly bubbly, but even after letting it breathe, there is something not quite right. It's cheap and won't make you sick, but is that enough to make you buy this? I'd never buy it again and still have a lot of bottles left over.



There are definitely some additional side-effects from the secondary fermentation. After you pour each glass, there's a slight film that forms at the top of the glass, but it blows off if you swirl the glass a few times. There's also an additional flavor that I think has to have resulted from the bottle fermentation. It's 7:30 in the morning and I can't muster the brain power to accurately describe it (or switch from my coffee to taste the open bottle), but it's not unpleasant. I'd say it's an earthy/mushroom flavor, it kinda reminds me of that telltale barnyard earthiness most Italian reds have. It was going to be a fairly big Cab, and all of those characteristics are still in there. There is a slight funk, but it's not too funky.

I've had several people try this (after I had made sure the bubbles were gone), everyone likes it & is shocked when I tell them what it cost. Then I pour them a little glass straight out of the bottle and watch their faces twist with displeasure when they taste it. I think it has a great QPR, but like everything in life, YMMV.

chipgreen


quality posts: 152 Private Messages chipgreen

I'm in agreement with those who say that this wine has a great QPR once the fizz blows off. I really enjoyed my tasting opportunity (minus the part where I mishandled the wine and had a little, umm, incident in my refrigerator) when this first came around. The last thing I need is another case of wine but I would gladly snatch up 3-4 bottles if anyone going to the Scott Harvey wine dinner in Wooster wanted to split.

djlund999


quality posts: 3 Private Messages djlund999

"Don't Do It!"

I bought this at the last woot off. I'm sometimes just a sucker for a good bargain, and based on the reviews, I went in for one. A bad mistake on my part.

- Fizz takes much more effort to 'disperse' than I would have ever guessed.

- Even when it seems 'dispersed', there are still very tiny bubbles.

- Agree with some other posts that there is an additional. 'off' flavor associated with this secondard fermentation. Again, not worth it.

Hold yourselves respectable, fellow wooters, and find other bargains.

djlund999


quality posts: 3 Private Messages djlund999
andreaserben wrote:I decided to bring this to the MN gathering last night, because I thought "OK, I have nothing to impress the pros/semi-pros there with - so, what would be helpful to the community?".
I ended up taking the Noceto up on sale right now on Wine.Woot Plus and.... tadaaaa the Mirage.
Nobody gave me advance notice/any indication that this would be up on sale again, I never got a lab rat bottle either, but I figured "this was one of the most controversial offerings lately.... let us give other folks the chance to chip in their 2 cents".
I did not get a tasting bottle of it either, but I gave the community a hard time with being doubtful about the offering....
so with not much further ado.... my notes....

the group who tried it was a mixed crowd, mixed preferences: beer lovers, cab fans, zin-fan-atics, sweet Riesling/moscato friends... you name it. one was a chef by profession.
I brought a seriously big, heavy decanter and poured it in there around 6:30 pm, even put a Post-it on the decanter to let it decant 2+ hours and shook and swirled it vigorously.
a few folks took the opportunity to taste the wine with the fizz still there:
most said that this seems to have potential to be a rather big Cab. nose and color were good. tasting was weird because of the fizz being the overwhelming sensation on the tongue. not bubbly, but prickly.
fast forward 3-4 hours at least and some serious swirling ->
completely different.
first of all, no fizz left.
my personal experience was, that it was very oaky with some cedar notes over a good body. did not get a lot of fruitiness out of it, but others might disagree, wine tasting is fairly personal.
everybody agreed that it was NOT bad at this point. note that a previous bottle I had did not come across as being so oaky. variations between bottles can happen, but none were 'bad' so far.
another fellow wooter who owns this would open the bottle and decant typically when preparing lunch, but then drink at dinner.
note that at least for me, the bottles I had were different after all, it can be an inconsistent wine. no single bottle was bad though after the fizz was gone.
what you get is a bottle of wine that without the fizz would easily be a good value at $20-$25. it would not be a $30-$50+ bottle, but what you pay for is depending on if you unlocked free shipping and depending on your sales tax about $8-$9.
so, in my humble opinion, once you unfizzed it, it will be one of the best QPRs you can get on woot (if you like Cabs at all).
This is just my personal opinion and I am getting nothing out of it sharing it.





What is the MN group? Is there a woot group right here in the tundra?

sphervey


quality posts: 34 Private Messages sphervey

Fred got a case of this last time - waiting for him to chime in with his verdict. Would he buy it again??????

chipgreen


quality posts: 152 Private Messages chipgreen
djlund999 wrote:What is the MN group? Is there a woot group right here in the tundra?


Not an official group, just some wooters who got together to taste some wines. Check out the "World of Woot Wine" tab near the top of the page and you can see discussions about various gatherings (among other things).

Also, Sparky posts a weekly gatherings message on Fridays here in the general discussion thread that lists all the upcoming woot-related gatherings.

jmdavidson


quality posts: 47 Private Messages jmdavidson

One additional voice concurring with the majority of the reviewers. I let it sit for 2 hours (no scientific basis for this) in a decanter. Eight of my friends tried it and all agreed it was a very tasty cab. At $7 a very good QPR.

jgosau


quality posts: 0 Private Messages jgosau

I guess I'm the contrarian - in for 3. I got a case from the woot-off, and was disappointed it wasn't in this week's off.
Yes, it has some minor fizz, but it's not like we're talking champagne level here. It comes out easily on decanting, and makes a nice $7 bottle of cab that way.
I actually served one bottle slightly chilled without decanting with Italian food, everyone thought it was the best "lambrusco" they ever had ;)

fredrinaldi


quality posts: 23 Private Messages fredrinaldi
dmallette wrote:Yep! I purchased last time and for the price was not disappointed. I decanted the wine for 2 hours and all the fizz was gone. For $8 a bottle, it's a GREAT everyday drinker.

In for TWO. boom.


for those not wanting to wait, I decant, then shake the decanter hard for about 30 sec's, about 4 times over 15 minutes, and your ready to go, auto buy for me.


fredrinaldi


quality posts: 23 Private Messages fredrinaldi
sphervey wrote:Fred got a case of this last time - waiting for him to chime in with his verdict. Would he buy it again??????



Yep got about 10 at home and bought another just now, if it still for sale I just might grab another.

sphervey


quality posts: 34 Private Messages sphervey
fredrinaldi wrote:Yep got about 10 at home and bought another just now, if it still for sale I just might grab another.



That's good enough for me - I'm in. Thanks, Fred!

fredrinaldi


quality posts: 23 Private Messages fredrinaldi
rpr63501 wrote:I got this last time around and would not recommend it. It's 'not bad Mirage' but not all that good, either. There is some strange mouth feel to this wine that I can't quite grasp. At first, it feels slightly bubbly, but even after letting it breathe, there is something not quite right. It's cheap and won't make you sick, but is that enough to make you buy this? I'd never buy it again and still have a lot of bottles left over.



If you live in the L.A. area, I'll take those off your hands,

chipgreen


quality posts: 152 Private Messages chipgreen
fredrinaldi wrote:for those not wanting to wait, I decant, then shake the decanter hard for about 30 sec's, about 4 times over 15 minutes, and your ready to go, auto buy for me.


Or you can just put it in a blender.

lballesty


quality posts: 0 Private Messages lballesty

Bought this at the last offering, and have no complaints. Tried it right out of the bottle and... yup, got fizz. Let it sit, and it mellows right out and turns into a nice inexpensive drinking wine. I'm also thinking that this might be a nice base for making sangria for the summer.

jslaggard


quality posts: 0 Private Messages jslaggard
jgosau wrote:I guess I'm the contrarian - in for 3. I got a case from the woot-off, and was disappointed it wasn't in this week's off.
Yes, it has some minor fizz, but it's not like we're talking champagne level here. It comes out easily on decanting, and makes a nice $7 bottle of cab that way.
I actually served one bottle slightly chilled without decanting with Italian food, everyone thought it was the best "lambrusco" they ever had ;)



"Lambrusco"? Is that supposed to be a good thing? I was ready to buy until reading this comment. To me this says that it's way too sweet, and tends to scare me off. Anybody else have a comment?

funbunny


quality posts: 25 Private Messages funbunny

I have a friend that loves JLohr Cab. I usually end up with one as hostess gift when we get together and I don't think it's bad for a low price cab. Can anyone tell me how this would compare to JLohr?

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jgosau


quality posts: 0 Private Messages jgosau

The texture, not the flavor . You can't be thinking that they would be anywhere close otherwise.

jslaggard wrote:"Lambrusco"? Is that supposed to be a good thing? I was ready to buy until reading this comment. To me this says that it's way too sweet, and tends to scare me off. Anybody else have a comment?



rjquillin


quality posts: 153 Private Messages rjquillin
fredrinaldi wrote:Yep got about 10 at home and bought another just now, if it still for sale I just might grab another.

Fred, PM for ya.

CT

North316


quality posts: 107 Private Messages North316
chipgreen wrote:I'm in agreement with those who say that this wine has a great QPR once the fizz blows off. I really enjoyed my tasting opportunity (minus the part where I mishandled the wine and had a little, umm, incident in my refrigerator) when this first came around. The last thing I need is another case of wine but I would gladly snatch up 3-4 bottles if anyone going to the Scott Harvey wine dinner in Wooster wanted to split.



I'm with you on this. I don't want a whole case. Any even a half-case would be pushing it. If we can find a 3rd from the dinner, I can buy it and do a 3-way split.

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R.I.P. Inkycatz - Feb. 2013

ugyvel


quality posts: 0 Private Messages ugyvel

I don't know whether this was addressed in the prior thread, but would running it through a Vinturi aerator suffice, or is additional time in the decanter required??

chipgreen


quality posts: 152 Private Messages chipgreen
North316 wrote:I'm with you on this. I don't want a whole case. Any even a half-case would be pushing it. If we can find a 3rd from the dinner, I can buy it and do a 3-way split.


I'm down with that, any takers?

chipgreen


quality posts: 152 Private Messages chipgreen
ugyvel wrote:I don't know whether this was addressed in the prior thread, but would running it through a Vinturi aerator suffice, or is additional time in the decanter required??


That would help lessen the decant time but not eliminate it. You could aerate into the decanter and use Fred's method of repeated, vigorous swirling to get it ready to drink quickly.

lakerkobe


quality posts: 0 Private Messages lakerkobe

Would using a venturi aerator speed up the process of "de-bubbling?"

Edit - Sorry. See that this was answered.

jslaggard


quality posts: 0 Private Messages jslaggard
jgosau wrote:The texture, not the flavor . You can't be thinking that they would be anywhere close otherwise.



Kinda figgered (and hoped) that was probably the case. Thanks a lot. Just placed my order.

iByron


quality posts: 40 Private Messages iByron
jslaggard wrote:"Lambrusco"? Is that supposed to be a good thing? I was ready to buy until reading this comment. To me this says that it's way too sweet, and tends to scare me off. Anybody else have a comment?



Lambrusco is not (all) sweet. In fact, most of it (by a shade) isn't. If all you've had is Riunite, you should try some of the real stuff.

And now, back to the original thread...

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iByron


quality posts: 40 Private Messages iByron

I don't want a case of this, but if anyone in DC or NY is going in, I'd love to take two or three off your hands.

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renatoxic


quality posts: 0 Private Messages renatoxic

How come it does not support ship/sell to Massachusetts? What's going on?!?!

k1avg


quality posts: 82 Private Messages k1avg

I know it's been a while since I've been around, but Woot is now selling spoiled wine for $90/case? We used to get perfectly good wine at that price (adjusted for inflation, no less - I remember a case of Truchard that came out to $6.50/bottle). Goodness me.

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North316


quality posts: 107 Private Messages North316
k1avg wrote:I know it's been a while since I've been around, but Woot is now selling spoiled wine for $90/case? We used to get perfectly good wine at that price (adjusted for inflation, no less - I remember a case of Truchard that came out to $6.50/bottle). Goodness me.



Please explain how, with all of your obvious knowledge and wisdom, this wine is spoiled, as you say.

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andreaserben


quality posts: 21 Private Messages andreaserben
renatoxic wrote:How come it does not support ship/sell to Massachusetts? What's going on?!?!


Here is the list of states that Sextant Wines is supposedly shipping to right now. MA is not on the list.
http://www.sextantwines.com/Shipping-Policy
There are discrepancies between the list on woot and of the winery, but MA is not one of those.

@Woot: The winery itself is not charging sales tax unless shipping to California, I actually had seen several "woot" wineries that do not seem to charge sales tax when shipping "out of state"... if it is a compliance thing of the winery as indicated in previous posts, then how do they do it differently when shipping directly after ordering from them compared to Woot?