panthiest


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Does anyone know somewhere I could sample this? Either any restaurants in the NJ/NYC/philly/atlanta areas that use it or a place I can buy a very small bottle?

I know I won't get to taste it in time for this offer, but this seems to come up fairly often so if I like it I could get it next time.

Just can't bring myself to spend the money without trying it first.

CasaDeCase


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Greetings Wooters! (Long Post!)

I LOVE reading your accolades for this great balsamic.

There have been more than a few posts alleging that this is not "true" balsamic. Let's be careful, because, indeed, this is true, real balsamic.

I will re-post a version of my explanation from a previous offering on Woot.

The distinction has to do with classification which is discussed below. And,there are some new developments regarding the classification of balsamics less that 12 years old, which are Aceto Balsamico di Modena. There is now an IGP classification which guarantees origin and quality of the vinegar. These have been put in place to distinguish between good, real Balsamico di Modena and the industriale junk.

Botte Piccola conforms to the new IGP specification & carries the European seal on the bottle. And further, now Cavedoni is making this vinegar exclusively from must obtained from his own vineyards or 100% Trebbiano grapes.

About the classifications: This is a really big subject, but I will give a short explanation here and direct you to an excellent article where you can read all about balsamic classifications.

The short answer is that Cavedoni Botte Piccola is not a tradizionale classified balsamic – and you wouldn’t want it to be, considering that we sell Cavedoni tradizionale wholesale to restaurants and specialty gourmet shops at the equivalent of $24/oz for a base tradizionale (it must be at least 12 years old; the Cavedoni we sell is 15) and $44/oz for an extravecchio tradizionale. (extravecchio = very old, and must be 25 years old; the Cavedoni we sell is 30 years old).

OK, that puts a 100 ml bottle on the retail shelf at $110 for the tradizionale and $210 for the extravecchio tradizionale. Notice I said 100 ml. Ouch! The Botte Piccola is 250 ml. No wonder the article referenced above states that “Tradizionale remains a curiosity for most consumers.” The Cavedoni tradizionale are also DOP certified, but that is another discussion.

Botte Piccola is a true “Aceto Balsamico di Modena” – Balsamic vinegar from Modena which falls into the general classification of industriale – or commercial balsamic. Here is where the consumer can get into real trouble. There production of tradizionale is very strictly controlled – see the details in the article, but not so for commercial balsamic. Even those made in Modena. They run the range from very inexpensive, poor quality stuff to very good high-quality vinegars.

The low end is very yucky tasting stuff made with lots of vinegar and additives like caramel for color, sugar for sweetness and thickening agents. When a waiter pours balsamic into the dish of olive oil on your table, this is what he is using – and by the way, the oil is lousy too, its bad quality masked by the sweet balsamic. Restaurants buy this concoction in plastic jugs for next to nothing and boil it down to use in salad dressing and glazes (yuck!).

The good quality balsamics which are under 12 years old are a completely different animal. They are made with integrity and no additives with the same care as the tradizionale. There are, however, still differences besides age. The most notable are that the initial cooking process (read the article) for the commercial balsamics is done at a higher temperature and for a longer period to give the sugar formation a jump-start. And, second, the must (this is the pressed grape juice that starts the process) is combined with vinegar. For the tradizionale no vinegar is used. The key to quality control here is not over cooking, and the percentage of must to vinegar. The good stuff is made with a lot more must than vinegar.

So what is a consumer to do? It’s not easy, but you can start with reliable merchants and sources (like Wine.Woot!) and getting recommendations from trusted sources. Also, armed with the little bit of knowledge presented here, the bottle label also tells a lot. Don’t be fooled by how fancy it is.

For instance here is what you will learn on the Botte Piccola label:

  • It is a real “Aceto Balsamico di Modena
  • It is IGP certified
  • The ingredients list contains only two ingredients: “Cooked grape must and wine vinegar,” and notice the order – very important – more must than vinegar.

    One last thing, if you read the article referenced above, you will see that tradizionale is aged in as many as five different types of wood barrels. Botte Piccola is aged only in oak, because that is what Paolo Cavedoni chooses to use for this product.

    Sorry for the long post, but I hope it clarifies things.

    Enjoy the Vinegar!

    Howard
  • CasaDeCase


    quality posts: 14 Private Messages CasaDeCase
    guzmantis wrote:I was really hoping we'd see the olio nuovo today, but I suppose this is just as good. Hopefully it'll make an appearance soon!



    Hmmmmm.... we don't like to disappoint.

    cheron98


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    WD: Please check your PMs.

    I saw HitAnyKey42 on wine.woot! and clicked "I want one!"

    CasaDeCase


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    jamesbottomtooth wrote:Most interesting man in the world on Italian Dressing..


    stay thirsty?



    Don't know those of you who are looking for holiday gifts saw this posting with the presentation box that the Botte Piccola comes in. An impressive gift!

    ahacker


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    chris12345 wrote:The price, she rises.



    That was the first thing I noticed.

    kylemittskus


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    ahacker wrote:That was the first thing I noticed.



    Prices tend to go up over a 4-year period. I'm fine with $1.25/year increase.

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    aderyn wrote:Favorite fast lunch: Half an avocado, fill the pit cavity with canned tuna (high-quality tuna is good, but even the cheapest stuff will taste great like this), drizzle the whole thing generously with this balsamic, eat and smile with every bite.


    BRB LUNCHTIME... oh. It is only 10:45am, don't think that will go over well.

    I'm just hanging out, really.

    turbobuick86


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    hmmm... bought a case of wine 10 days ago and it hasn't yet shipped. Typical? I know woot is slow to ship, but this seems slower than usual.

    lifecarechiro


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    Over 125 comments and almost all glowing.....FOR VINEGAR? I gotta check this stuff out. In for 2!!!!!

    vademo0o


    quality posts: 4 Private Messages vademo0o

    I am having a difficulty to purchase it. The woot does not complete the transaction! Does anyone else also have the same problem?

    loreelu


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    I'm getting a bottle of this only because (1) the bottle looks really cool, and (2) to compare it to a bottle of 18-year aged balsamic that I purchased that was not nearly as expensive as this. I may be, or may have been, a sucker. I guess I'll find out in which case I sucked when this one arrives.

    rld513


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    Oof, now I want to go home and sip a spoonful! I have most of my bottle from the last offering, or I'd go for it. So, so good.

    jplamb


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    turbobuick86 wrote:hmmm... bought a case of wine 10 days ago and it hasn't yet shipped. Typical? I know woot is slow to ship, but this seems slower than usual.



    Very typical.

    panthiest


    quality posts: 19 Private Messages panthiest
    turbobuick86 wrote:hmmm... bought a case of wine 10 days ago and it hasn't yet shipped. Typical? I know woot is slow to ship, but this seems slower than usual.




    It ships straight from the winery and can take up to a few weeks.

    I'm waiting on the same case, so it isn't just you.

    kylemittskus


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    turbobuick86 wrote:hmmm... bought a case of wine 10 days ago and it hasn't yet shipped. Typical? I know woot is slow to ship, but this seems slower than usual.



    Daily offer or Plus? The Plus offers don't ship until the sale ends.

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    cmaldoon


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    kylemittskus wrote:Prices tend to go up over a 4-year period. I'm fine with $1.25/year increase.



    That's 3.3% per year... Pretty much historical inflation levels. And it seems that the market is bearing the price increase just fine.... I got my 2!

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    inkycatz


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    rld513 wrote:Oof, now I want to go home and sip a spoonful! I have most of my bottle from the last offering, or I'd go for it. So, so good.



    In the mood for ice cream with this drizzled on top now. That would make this day pretty awesome.

    I'm just hanging out, really.

    inkycatz


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    turbobuick86 wrote:hmmm... bought a case of wine 10 days ago and it hasn't yet shipped. Typical? I know woot is slow to ship, but this seems slower than usual.



    How long is shipment going to take?
    You should get your wine in 2-3 weeks, often sooner. We know the wait is kind of a drag. But it's still gonna taste good (maybe even better), and since we leave it to the wineries to get the wine to you, you can count on their experience to send their wine using their expert methodologies.

    ... also known as "it's all good, yo, no worries yet"

    I'm just hanging out, really.

    spyhunter66


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    Just had a big fight with the wife over wanting to buy this... heck I wanted to buy 2 and give one as a gift.

    In the end, we bought one. And it better be AWESOME or I'll never hear the end of the day I spent $40 on VINEGAR.

    inkycatz


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    vademo0o wrote:I am having a difficulty to purchase it. The woot does not complete the transaction! Does anyone else also have the same problem?



    Well, not having any specifics on what error messages you're getting, like is it PayPal? If so, be sure your account is backed by a bank or credit card.

    We recommend the following steps in this order:
    Try a different payment method
    Try to contact your bank/credit card holder to make sure things are fine
    Please note error messages
    Contact support@woot.com for assistance.

    Hope that helps.

    I'm just hanging out, really.

    mawy


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    spyhunter66 wrote:Just had a big fight with the wife over wanting to buy this... heck I wanted to buy 2 and give one as a gift.

    In the end, we bought one. And it better be AWESOME or I'll never hear the end of the day I spent $40 on VINEGAR.



    Trust me (seriously, doesn't my woot avatar look super trustworthy?!?), this time next year your wife will be demanding it as her one and only christmas present! (or, you know, whatever present.. )

    jhkey


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    I just have to chime in how good this stuff is. We put it mostly on soft cheeses - what a combination! It also goes really well on vanilla ice cream. It's amazing! I just love this stuff - in for 2!

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    peterdgorman


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    texacaliali wrote:favorite use: drizzled over goat-cheese, side of rosemary crackers.

    best use: drizzled on salad. I honestly hate salad.

    I use this Balsamic several times a week. It's a game changer for any cook, foodie, eater...person who enjoys nice things.



    I agreed on 'hating salad', but I love this balsamic on arugula with some shaved parmesan cheese. So simple, and tasty. This will be my 5th bottle since 2008 (two of which were gifts).

    vodyanoi


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    I see that a lot of people like it on ice cream, which didn't impress me much. But it is wonderful on bread, and makes an excellent compliment for sandwiches. Pasta also.

    deueltl


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    Oh thank goodness as the bottle was getting low.

    Another on strawberries person here, and in addition, meyer lemons cut paper thin thrown in make it *really* great. The spouse has also taken to putting a wee bit into our sauces for pizza night and it turns the bacon/applewood cheddar combo from great to phenomenal.

    jawlz


    quality posts: 12 Private Messages jawlz

    Might have to go in on this. We brought back a bottle of 18 year balsamic from Italy 4 months ago (we tried some that were aged 40+ years too! Though once we got past 18 years we found it to just be too.... much? concentrated? thick? all those things? etc), and there is very little left in the bottle.

    bstoll


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    Bought a bottle of this in a previous sale... it is superb.

    Going to order a spare bottle so I don't have to be so scrooge'ish with my present bottle.

    psm321


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    anyone know what the alcohol content is?

    CasaDeCase


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    psm321 wrote:anyone know what the alcohol content is?



    Zero

    harumman


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    panthiest wrote:Does anyone know somewhere I could sample this? Either any restaurants in the NJ/NYC/philly/atlanta areas that use it or a place I can buy a very small bottle?

    I know I won't get to taste it in time for this offer, but this seems to come up fairly often so if I like it I could get it next time.

    Just can't bring myself to spend the money without trying it first.



    Go for it!

    lonestar9


    quality posts: 0 Private Messages lonestar9

    I actually logged into woot, and missed this. I got an email reminding me...hey..this is on sale again...so bought another one, as my original one from March is close to gone.

    mike808


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    Leshrac wrote:Pro tip: Just drill a small hole the size of the spout partway into the original cork and then use the cork to cover the spout. Works like a charm.
    mawy wrote:You are my new hero. Are you sure you aren't Alton Brown in disguise? I would've expected that kind of maneuver from a Good Eats episode.

    We all know how we hate Uni-Taskers like a bottle stopper that can only be ... well ... be a bottle stopper.

    Now we have a bottle stopper and a spout stopper.

    Oh, yeah. In for 2.

    mike808


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    Adding to Confessions.Woot!:

    Recent ex-girlfriend managed to sneak my remaining bottle (unopened and still in the box, being displayed on an open kitchen shelf) into her stuff while moving out, and "trade" me for the now almost empty bottle I gave her last year before she moved in. I pointed out that I noticed the missing box. I guess she felt so guilty she put it back mysteriously when she moved out while I was at work that day.

    I was disappointed when I noticed she "upgraded" her bottle, but not heartbroken, because I knew this item comes up in early December (and she didn't).

    So in the end, I have a new bottle to share with/gift to my next lucky companion (on top of the 2 here), and the ex has maybe some cheap drain pour gone bad to wallow in at her new place.

    Sweet, like this Balsamic.

    CasaDeCase


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    Lots of idea abut recipes to use for this balsamic: here are two of my favorite Italian cookbooks that have a lot of recipes using balsamic. Both naturally are from the north of Italy, The Splendid Table focuses on the food from Emilia Romagna and Made in Italy on the food of Piemonte. The former has a lot to say about balsamic and using it. In the latter there is great recipe for liver with balsamic.... in fact, for cocktails at Thanksgiving my wife made a spread of chicken livers with lots of olive oil (nuovo of course!) and a few teaspoons of Botte Picola mixed in. Delicious....

    mschauber


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    WD must have negotiated a HUGE allotment of this stuff. So much for all the predictions it would be sold out by the AM.

    Any chance WW will put the real stats back up for us as far as #'s sold like before the site facelift?

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    mawy


    quality posts: 9 Private Messages mawy
    mike808 wrote:Adding to Confessions.Woot!:

    Recent ex-girlfriend managed to sneak my remaining bottle (unopened and still in the box, being displayed on an open kitchen shelf) into her stuff while moving out, and "trade" me for the now almost empty bottle I gave her last year before she moved in. I pointed out that I noticed the missing box. I guess she felt so guilty she put it back mysteriously when she moved out while I was at work that day.

    I was disappointed when I noticed she "upgraded" her bottle, but not heartbroken, because I knew this item comes up in early December (and she didn't).

    So in the end, I have a new bottle to share with/gift to my next lucky companion (on top of the 2 here), and the ex has maybe some cheap drain pour gone bad to wallow in at her new place.

    Sweet, like this Balsamic.



    Excellent confession! Who's next? I know there are others out there who feel guilty - or feel that they should feel guilty - about something to do with this delightful balsamic...

    Hello, my name is mawy, and I have been a Cavedoni Botte Piccola Italian Balsamic devotee / abuser since 2009. I have promised many of the bottles I have bought as gifts, and followed thru on only 2 of them, and only cos my husband made me. I regret nothing.

    Kiashien


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    CasaDeCase wrote:

    There have been more than a few posts alleging that this is not "true" balsamic. Let's be careful, because, indeed, this is true, real balsamic.



    I edited my post to clarify this. Sorry!

    true559


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    Anything that elicits this many posts on woot has to be really good or really bad. I'm guessing good. Think I'll double up on this one.

    polarbear22


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    loreelu wrote:I'm getting a bottle of this only because (1) the bottle looks really cool, and (2) to compare it to a bottle of 18-year aged balsamic that I purchased that was not nearly as expensive as this. I may be, or may have been, a sucker. I guess I'll find out in which case I sucked when this one arrives.


    I have some 18 yo balsamic from an oil/vinegar store. Very nice stuff for salad dressings, etc. This really takes it to another level. When we use this it is often just a drizzle on its own. Or if in a salad dressing, only about 1/3 of the amount of the 18 yo. You'll notice the difference in taste and viscosity.

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