redwinefan wrote:Yes, one poll a week seems fine.

Or give them their own tab we can ignore.

Cesare wrote:Or give them their own tab we can ignore.

But make sure we get a GTG tab at the same time!!!

Real sales numbers... not %.... just sayin'....

ThunderThighs wrote:There's a good explanation for the change to the stats by the lead developer here.

Thanks, that helps to explain it. Makes sense.

bkarlan wrote:Thanks, that helps to explain it. Makes sense.

In theory it makes sense, however, that answer seems more like a cop-out to me. They have been showing the sales stats openly for years now and still be able to provide the best deals to us. Recently our deals have gotten worse and on top of that we do not get sales stats (which I personally believe it is because they don't want us to know that the sales are declining, at least on the wine side of things).

North316 wrote:In theory it makes sense, however, that answer seems more like a cop-out to me. They have been showing the sales stats openly for years now and still be able to provide the best deals to us. Recently our deals have gotten worse and on top of that we do not get sales stats (which I personally believe it is because they don't want us to know that the sales are declining, at least on the wine side of things).

Why would we care if sales were declining?

kylemittskus wrote:Why would we care if sales were declining?

I didn't say that we do.

North316 wrote:I'm didn't say that we do.

That doesn't make sense.

But why would they hide the #s then? You're saying, I think, they're hiding the #s so we don't know sales are declining. If we don't care, then why hide them for that reason?

kylemittskus wrote:That doesn't make sense.

But why would they hide the #s then? You're saying, I think, they're hiding the #s so we don't know sales are declining. If we don't care, then why hide them for that reason?

Because they think we care?

It's all about perception. Not the best example, but if you had a local restaurant that wasn't bringing in the level of people it used to, they wouldn't advertise it to you for fear that you might start wondering why that was the case and second guessing your choice of that restaurant. They would instead turn up the music, make the place seem more busy (jazzy new website!), and maybe hand out some coupons or some groupons to draw some people in and increase volume (all you can ship for $5!).

I added the parenthetical comments just for you, since you love all of the complaining so much.

All I was trying to say was that I don't believe the answer they gave (trying to keep information from competitors), seeing as how that is the how the site has been run for years without that being a problem.

Makes sense.

And I don't mind complaining as long as it's logical and goes in the right thread, namely this one. And you have to admit that some of the complaining has been either illogical, obsessively repetitive, or both.

kylemittskus wrote:Makes sense.

And I don't mind complaining as long as it's logical and goes in the right thread, namely this one. And you have to admit that some of the complaining has been either illogical, obsessively repetitive, or both.

IME, most complaining tends to be either illogical, obsessively repetitive, or both.
BTW, PM for you.

Winedavid39 wrote:i was always surprised with the original woot policy of showing results.

Which actually was pretty sweet. you have to make a profit to stay viable, most of us understand lacking a profit we all lose. Heck, with the numbers I was cheering you on. Great to see the w00t hourly wage get maxed out!

ThunderThighs wrote:There's a good explanation for the change to the stats by the lead developer here.

Thanks for the link...but even in the link it states that you guys realized, "It's kinda neat for our customers to see exactly how many items we've sold".. and yes, it was just one of those little things that was kinda neat that is gone with the changes...

(However, I could also see being upset if I was the winery, or whatever vendor, who had really low numbers)

Cheers!

So timestamps are back for posts > 24 hours old. That's good. Now how about bringing back timestamps for the rest of the posts? Pretty please? If you had to pick one over the other, you got it wrong, but I think timestamps should be visible for all posts anyway.

As for the sale stats discussion, I'm rather unconvinced. For 8 years those have been up and it seems that all the woot sites were plenty able to get us good deals. There was something remarkable about being able to check out a Wellington case offering to see he sold 1000 cases in a little less than 12 hours. Transparency and irreverence were the things that made woot different and special.

OK. Seriously. Two major issues, neither of which are new, and neither should be news to the powers that be/code monkeys.

1) Forum timestamps. A "timestamp" is an unchanging display of the time. Not a stopwatch from the last relevant event. Please return timestamps to all posts in the forums. It's not that hard. It's how it used to be, after all.

2) Tracking numbers. When I get a shipping email, I should not have to first click on a link to take me to wine woot, then enter my password to access my purchase history, then find the tiny-font tracking number before finding out where in the system it is. The tracking number should be in the email, right where it always was before "The Troubles".

That is all. Here's hoping these rather simple items can be fixed quickly.

klezman wrote:OK. Seriously. Two major issues, neither of which are new, and neither should be news to the powers that be/code monkeys.

1) Forum timestamps. A "timestamp" is an unchanging display of the time. Not a stopwatch from the last relevant event. Please return timestamps to all posts in the forums. It's not that hard. It's how it used to be, after all.

2) Tracking numbers. When I get a shipping email, I should not have to first click on a link to take me to wine woot, then enter my password to access my purchase history, then find the tiny-font tracking number before finding out where in the system it is. The tracking number should be in the email, right where it always was before "The Troubles".

That is all. Here's hoping these rather simple items can be fixed quickly.

The time stamp thing doesn't bother me. The no tracking number in the email thing KILLS me. What on earth was the logic behind changing that?

kylemittskus wrote:The time stamp thing doesn't bother me. The no tracking number in the email thing KILLS me. What on earth was the logic behind changing that?

Lack of thought? Drive more ad impressions? Although it's not like most of us don't have ad blockers installed.

As for the timestamp, it kills me because of the way I use the w.w. forum. I tend to keep a tab open, so when I look at it I'd rather have the last time a message was posted in the top thread. Then I click reload and scroll down to the first time after the one that was listed.

klezman wrote:As for the timestamp, it kills me because of the way I use the w.w. forum. I tend to keep a tab open, so when I look at it I'd rather have the last time a message was posted in the top thread. Then I click reload and scroll down to the first time after the one that was listed.

I used to do exactly the same thing.

klezman wrote:OK. Seriously. Two major issues, neither of which are new, and neither should be news to the powers that be/code monkeys.

1) Forum timestamps. A "timestamp" is an unchanging display of the time. Not a stopwatch from the last relevant event. Please return timestamps to all posts in the forums. It's not that hard. It's how it used to be, after all.

2) Tracking numbers. When I get a shipping email, I should not have to first click on a link to take me to wine woot, then enter my password to access my purchase history, then find the tiny-font tracking number before finding out where in the system it is. The tracking number should be in the email, right where it always was before "The Troubles".

That is all. Here's hoping these rather simple items can be fixed quickly.

I have not read back in this thread for awhile, so I apologize if some of this has been addressed.
Do you purchase much from Amazon? The system to check on orders is very convoluted; not a simple one or 2 click process. Every time I want to check on an order by clicking in the notification email, I am amazed that it still takes so many clicks to get the info I want.

I, too, used the timestamps as you describe, and find it a hassle with the newish system.

I know tenuki mentioned this after the troubles began (Yay, Haven will be back soon!); woot is useless on my iPhone. It is way too much work to use. It won't scroll properly, and forget enlarging the screen. Every other site I visit works fine - it's just the woot sites. This is something I really thought would have been addressed by now. Maybe because it is still technically a beta site, a phone friendly version will be available after it is no longer beta.

Or it could be a conspiracy..... (;

ThunderThighs wrote:They have updated it where you get actual time stamps (CST) after 24 hours.

As I understand it, the relative time stamps eliminate the issues with dealing with so many time zones (worldwide with Shirt).

Remember that on the Woots tab (list of sales), you can sort by last post. World of Wine Woot is always sorted by last posts.

Yup. I know all of that. Being able to show the actual time stamps after 24 hours actually makes my argument more persuasive, imo.

I also dismiss the time zone argument since it's easy enough to program that in. Timestamps are stored in UTC, then the browser does the translation. That's in fact exactly how it used to be (substituting CST for UTC) before the Troubles.

Three glaring problems. Two left from the so called upgrade:
1) NO tracking info in the shipping notifications. There used to be. The order info page STILL says it will be emailed when available.
2) BUSY, BUSY, BUSY, CLICK, CLICK, CLICK.. It takes multiple clicks to get anything done (and page loads are still slow,) and it takes time to eliminate all the extra busy crap (excuse me, images and text) from the mind to even know where to click.

There's a reason FRAMES were invented, use them. It reduces page load, load on the servers, memory and rendering time/use on displaying devices (ie: COMPUTERS.) The top and bottom navigation should NEVER reload going page to page. And put all the extraneous stuff into tabs (the plus deals, stories, etc...)

Put the offer on the main page. If I go to wine.woot, sports.woot, home.woot, etc I should see that days offer and not have to click AGAIN to get to it.

And the third awful thing is a change you've made in the past few days, which now refuses to let mobile browsers open up the full site. Before a few days ago, using Chrome, Android browser, Opera, Dolphin HD, or Firefox would load your full site, as it should, on an android tablet. Now you're so called mobile site is loaded and clicking on the full site link takes you into a loop, back to the mobile site.

Will also add this on the beta feedback link.

#1) Still a pain to review old orders. Especially when you click on back and you go TO THE FIRST PAGE OF ORDERS!! Sorry for the shouting, but it's extremely annoying. You click and go to another page of your orders, then click to review your order. You click the "Back" button, and it's back to Page 1 of your orders, not the page you were on.

Not a problem if you only have a few pages of orders, but when you have 20+, it's a HUGE problem!

#2) Still no way to sort thru the orders by site or search for specifics. Would like to sort by Wine, etc. but it's another huge pain to go back page by page to find an order. And would also like to be able to search and find a specific order.

MarkDaSpark wrote:Will also add this on the beta feedback link.

#1) Still a pain to review old orders. Especially when you click on back and you go TO THE FIRST PAGE OF ORDERS!! Sorry for the shouting, but it's extremely annoying. You click and go to another page of your orders, then click to review your order. You click the "Back" button, and it's back to Page 1 of your orders, not the page you were on.

Not a problem if you only have a few pages of orders, but when you have 20+, it's a HUGE problem!

#2) Still no way to sort thru the orders by site or search for specifics. Would like to sort by Wine, etc. but it's another huge pain to go back page by page to find an order. And would also like to be able to search and find a specific order.

Amen. Or is it +1?

MarkDaSpark wrote:Will also add this on the beta feedback link.

#1) Still a pain to review old orders. Especially when you click on back and you go TO THE FIRST PAGE OF ORDERS!! Sorry for the shouting, but it's extremely annoying. You click and go to another page of your orders, then click to review your order. You click the "Back" button, and it's back to Page 1 of your orders, not the page you were on.

Not a problem if you only have a few pages of orders, but when you have 20+, it's a HUGE problem!

#2) Still no way to sort thru the orders by site or search for specifics. Would like to sort by Wine, etc. but it's another huge pain to go back page by page to find an order. And would also like to be able to search and find a specific order.

This is a +11 quality post !

MarkDaSpark wrote:Will also add this on the beta feedback link.

#1) Still a pain to review old orders. Especially when you click on back and you go TO THE FIRST PAGE OF ORDERS!! Sorry for the shouting, but it's extremely annoying. You click and go to another page of your orders, then click to review your order. You click the "Back" button, and it's back to Page 1 of your orders, not the page you were on.

Not a problem if you only have a few pages of orders, but when you have 20+, it's a HUGE problem!

#2) Still no way to sort thru the orders by site or search for specifics. Would like to sort by Wine, etc. but it's another huge pain to go back page by page to find an order. And would also like to be able to search and find a specific order.

Yep - I generally just end up right clicking on the page numbers and opening them in a series of tabs, closing tabs in succession when they don't have what I'm interested in.

And being unable to search for a specific order is a huge pain.

MarkDaSpark wrote:Will also add this on the beta feedback link.

#1) Still a pain to review old orders. Especially when you click on back and you go TO THE FIRST PAGE OF ORDERS!! Sorry for the shouting, but it's extremely annoying. You click and go to another page of your orders, then click to review your order. You click the "Back" button, and it's back to Page 1 of your orders, not the page you were on.

Not a problem if you only have a few pages of orders, but when you have 20+, it's a HUGE problem!

YES this really sucks....as did this last-woot off

bsevern wrote:YES this really sucks....as did this last-woot off

This wootoff probably didn't appeal to some of us because there were only 2 high end reds and one high end white. This is ok with me, I don't need to spend the money :-P.

I'm not a fan of Ty (personal preference), Missed the White cottage (bad luck), and the Alsatian white didn't pass deal-muster. They sold a fair number of cheaper wines and 3 sets of sparklers and probably made a bunch of buyers in that range happy. Just not our cup-o-wine. Maybe next time.


To our ends though... I'd love to see the regular weekly black tie deals again... one day that I KNOW there will be something tempting up.

Bump

#1: Wine Woot Gatherings Thread / Wine Travel Tips (including Wedding Winery stuff) is still needed!!!


#2: AAAARRGGGGGHHHHHHHH! Reason for scream below.


THIS PROBLEM IS EXTREMELY IRRITATING!!! Just like typing in all caps.

Going back thru my Stuff I bought list, and trying to add the older WW orders (wines) I bought to Cellar Tracker, and I click on the link describing the Wine Item I bought.

It should take me to the Woot Wines thread, and right to the offer, correct? ONLY IT DOESN'T DO THAT!!! It takes me to a more current offer, which isn't the one purchased.

I've had this happen just about on all my old orders, when the original thread is still there!

For example, I ordered a Corison Cabernet Sauvignon Vertical on August 18, 2010. Clicking on the link takes me to the Corison 2003 Napa Valley Cabernet Sauvignon - 2 Pack offer on 7/14/2011! Not the same offer, nor the correct date.

That is, this thread: http://wine.woot.com/Forums/ViewPost.aspx?PostID=4085468&PageIndex=1&ReplyCount=70 (Corison Cabernet Vertical - Two Pack)

Not this one: http://wine.woot.com/offers/corison-cabernet-vertical-two-pack (Corison 2003 Napa Valley Cabernet Sauvignon - 2 Pack during a Woot-Off almost a year later - July 14, 2011)


And it's not just there!!! It's seems to be on all older offers where there was another newer offer from the winery.

Someone got lazy when they were setting those links up.

PemberDucky wrote:A) Typing in all caps is awesome. It secures your correctness in all topics and makes you 4 inches taller on average. (ETA: proof.)

B) I'm glad you noticed/mentioned this, and I'm going to pass it along RIGHT NOW.

THANK YOU!!!!

Seriously, it's irritating, especially when it's to the wrong thread. More so when you have 2.7 years worth of wines to enter.


Edit: Besides, you must bow down before the Black Box!! Bow Down, I say!!!

MarkDaSpark wrote:#1: Wine Woot Gatherings Thread / Wine Travel Tips (including Wedding Winery stuff) is still needed!!!

Still waiting.....

kylemittskus wrote:Still waiting.....

Also still waiting for tracking information to be put back into the shipping notification email.
Sheesh.

klezman wrote:Also still waiting for tracking information to be put back into the shipping notification email.
Sheesh.

Plenty of time to develop a mobile site, though...