prfgraham wrote:Ugh. Just because your owned by amazon now I guess it was inevitable that some hack would feel the need to redo the site. Seriously woot was all about reductive design and simplicity. You ruined that with this overly complicated and overy designed site. Shame.

I think you are exactly right.

kylemittskus wrote:No more $7 shipping? I really didn't mind paying the extra $2, but if you're footing the bill, I'll take!

By the way, new site, same old WD spelling.

Of course that just means the $2 is rolled into the per-unit price But it's appreciated nonetheless!

manny651 wrote:MUST have a discussion forum for Woot Plus. That's what makes Woot Wine great....the ability to discuss with other wooters on the deal.

Now would be a good time to add it to the top with the rest of the Community tabs (along with a Wine.Woot Gatherings one!).

Winedavid39 wrote:Thanks for the feedback. probably lost in all this is the fact that summer shipping is in full motion and gone is that pesky +$2.00 up charge. so you got that going for you..

1. Thank You for absorbing the summer shipping, it does add up much more for you!

2. The "woot plus deals" do make me wonder how good the deals will be in the future with the regular wine.woot's. I remember when you went to a new wine each day and that was overwhelming enough, now you add other stuff and, well it just becomes to much to handle. I have in the vicinity of 200 bottles of wine, not enough by half for the Apocalypse but enough to endure the most tenuous of situations. So I really enjoy the smaller offerings. I love to sample different wines, and have even found a few new favorites, and for that I am eternally grateful! but how good will the wine.woot's really be (my cat is also wondering as she crosses my keyboard). Will we get the same winery participation? The same great deals? Heck, I can go anywhere and get a deal on wine, my local liquor store discounts mixed cases by 20%.

In the end, I just want to know that wine.woot will still give us what they have and the plus stuff won't inhibit that. (really miss the lab rats).

A lot of what has been said above, in summary:
-Way too busy
-I don't want scrolling things
-Much more work to find the actually wanted/important information
-Drill down page on main deal should be the home page, but better layed out.
-Ship-to states is a headache compared to the old format

and now that I'm posting
-The post textbox is stupidly small

Other than that

Winedavid39 wrote:Thank you for acknowledging the absobring of the summer shipping- not insugnificant.

I am truly grateful. Thank you for what you do.

"Stuff you bought"
This needs improvement, as far as I'm concerned it's a step back from what we had.
Now there is this expansive ~consume space~ listing, not a concise and compact listing all on one page like we had.
I don't need 22 pages of pictures with no way to search for something. At least before I could do a "find" within the single page and find a purchase.
Not now.
It sucks, sorry, it just is what it is; wasteful and inefficient.
Didn't used to be that way.
Do the code monkeys actually think about and use this UI you have foisted upon us?

equuslover wrote:I like that I can see my purchase history for all of the sites together, and if the $5 "all you can ship" deal lasts until the next woot-off I will be a fan of that. Also, the fact that hovering over the links in the top menu bar gives a bigger picture of what the other sites are offering. That's about all I see so far that I like.

As many other people have said, the write up is the best part, and I don't like having to click through to another page to see it. I also don't like that it takes more clicks than before to get to the discussions for previous purchases. And while I can see how some people may be thrilled at the ability to link their Amazon account, I'd prefer not to be reminded of the corporate takeover of woot. (Though with all the change that has occurred since that, it's hard not to be.)

+1. I use the discussion on previous purchases all the time. Please bring this back.

Winedavid39 wrote:Thanks for the feedback. probably lost in all this is the fact that summer shipping is in full motion and gone is that pesky +$2.00 up charge. so you got that going for you..

"Cool" - $5 summer shipping. Thanks WineDavid!

The timeout settings for your account are *way* too short. I used to be able to log in once on my computer and rarely have to worry about it. Today I've had to log in at least 5x.

SonomaBouliste wrote:Agreed. I checked in to comment and answer questions, and - no discussion thread. Do we end up doing it here, on a user created thread?

If Peter ain't happy, ain't nobody happy.

kylemittskus wrote:No more $7 shipping? I really didn't mind paying the extra $2, but if you're footing the bill, I'll take!

By the way, new site, same old WD spelling.

Like all good companies, that $2 will still work it's way into the price (or decrease in discount).

I'm a little confused. I'll get used to it, I guess.

oppsie wrote:This, times twenty.

HI OPPSIE!

kylemittskus wrote:No more $7 shipping? I really didn't mind paying the extra $2, but if you're footing the bill, I'll take!

By the way, new site, same old WD spelling.

For you they will charge an EXTRA five dollars shipping!

Things I like:
1. The layout of the main offer page. The Woot write-up could be displayed more prominently, it seems like an afterthought in its current position, but the overall layout seems well-organized.

2. The info tabs (Features, Specs, Winery, etc.) underneath the photo. Great to have easy access to all of this in one place.

3. The "join the discussion" button. Much better than a small line of text, but that's a minor issue.

4. I like that you're offering the Plus deals, though I'm not thrilled about how they're placed.

Things I don't like;
1. The frontpage is way too busy and is confusing to navigate. Right now, there are several different things I can click that take me to the same place. I'd assume that clicking "I want one" would take me directly to the cart/checkout, but it takes me to the offer page, where I have to click "buy now." Likewise, clicking on the photo, the price, the name of the wine, "read more," and "There's a lesson there..." all bring me to the same page. Why not just have 2 big buttons: a yellow "I want one" that brings you to checkout, and a maroon "Read more" that bring you the offer page?

2. The Plus offers are too big and detract from the main offer. They're not really the reason people come to the site, so they should be sized/placed accordingly. It's great that you have these offers, but I'd prefer that they were side-by-side underneath the daily deal to minimize the need for scrolling. Also, why are there cheese and sausage icons on the Stewart offer? And what's with the empty wine glass on one offer and the full one on the other? If there's an icon, it should tell me something about the offer, otherwise it's just confusing clutter.

3. The scrolling comments are obnoxious and annoying. If you must include something like this, at least make sure that all of the comments are formatted properly. That way, we don't see 1/2 of two different comments. Also, I would think that vertical scrolling is less intrusive than horizontal scrolling.

4. The poll takes up too much room. I know it comes at the bottom of the page, but it looks terrible. Why is there so much white space next to it? If you used that entire area, it'd take up much less room and each response could get it's own line, which would look better than the seemingly arbitrary wrapping you've got now.

5. The sidebars don't look like they're the same size. This might be due to the giant arrows on the scrolling comments, but it just makes things look cheap and unprofessional.

6. It's obnoxious to have the other sites' deals displayed on the sidebar AND the hover-over tabs. Pick one. Personally, I'd go with the tabs and use the sidebar for the poll or some other non-essential item.

7. It was much easier to change an order with the old page. I liked the "I want 1/2/3" buttons. Now, if I want to make a change, I have to click "make changes," which brings me back to the offer page. Why not just have a quantity drop-down in the shopping cart?

Overall, I don't think the new site is that bad. I do think you guys need to examine what draws people to the site (main offer, the write-up, discussion boards) and highlight those things through placement and ease-of-navigation. To me, the biggest issue is that the design seems dated. It doesn't have a clean interface and things seem like they're just placed haphazardly on the screen.

And for the love of god, please rewrite the shipping info to reflect that each winery must obtain a ship-to license, and that the state list may vary from offer to offer due to this.

mother wrote:A lot of what has been said above, in summary:
-Way too busy
-I don't want scrolling things
-Much more work to find the actually wanted/important information
-Drill down page on main deal should be the home page, but better layed out.
-Ship-to states is a headache compared to the old format

and now that I'm posting
-The post textbox is stupidly small

Other than that

I agree with all of this, Mother knows best.

Aside from all the stuff above that I agree with...please bring back proper timestamps on the forum!

Edit: And if we could get rid of the twitter garbage that would be great. kthxbye!

bhodilee wrote:HI OPPSIE!

Hi bowtie.

klezman wrote:Aside from all the stuff above that I agree with...please bring back proper timestamps on the forum!

Edit: And if we could get rid of the twitter garbage that would be great. kthxbye!

Yes, I hate twitter, I dont' know why it's useful to have those there.

Also, the horizontal scrolling of comments on the main page is worse than people say it is. I hate it so much I'm considering puting a sticky note on my screen so I don't have to see it.

Since I've spent a couple of days thinking about this, and reading other people's reactions, I guess this isn't truly a first impression, but I'll try. Except for the extremely stark whiteness (don't like that very much), it didn't look all that different at first glance. Then I discovered I had to click a button just to read the description of the offer. Then more clicks necessary to obtain information I'm used to seeing without so much effort.
I get it; it's the same as my local supermarket reorganizing the store as soon as I've memorized the location of everything I want. They want to take you to new, unexplored territory, hoping you'll see something you haven't even thought about, but now that they've shown it to you, you have to have it. I don't mind that so much as some of the others who have commented, especially on some of the other Woot sites. Of all the Woot pages, I probably spend about 90% of my time on WIne.woot, so they can pretty much do what they want with the others, and it won't affect me much.
However, there is one point I feel quite strongly about: they're missing a valuable opportunity here. As Wine.woot has gradually morphed from one deal a week to one a day, losing the labrat program in the process, as well as forcing people into a quick decision, often without the benefit of winemaker input, it has lost some of its charm for me.
With the institution of Woot+, there's a chance to get that back, if they want to. People have been lamenting the loss of informed dialogue amongst other wooters and the winemakers about the wines being offered, because they've been here one day, and gone the next. Now we again have a few days to think things over and weigh our decisions with the benefit of shared information, provided there's a convenient vehicle for that sharing. In my opinion, it's vital to have a thread attached directly to each of these offers, just as there is to the main offer, instead of sending everyone to the "World of woot wine" for a separate thread. Since most of us will be going there for our own purposes, anyway, they won't be losing any of the merchandising aspects of all that clicking. Also, there's time for labrat participants to weigh in on one of these offers, so maybe it's time to bring that program back in some form.
Now that I've dealt with that, can we please have the time stamps back?
Can we please have the ability to access another wooter's comments like we used to do? It makes it so much easier to track information.
I'm not fond of the new fonts, the additional advertising, the cross referencing to social networking sites, and especially not the Twitter comments, but after 45 years of teaching, I've developed some ability to ignore the things I don't like, so I can live with those, and most of the other changes.
I think I like separate lists of purchases, instead of having everything merged into one big list, but I'm still thinking about that one.
Just keep offering good wines at good prices, especially ones that I can't get anywhere else, and I'll keep buying.

Overall I like the redesign, and I think having the woot.plus deals is a great thing, as long as a prominent discussion thread is added for each woot.plus deal.

I just posted this to the beta feedback:

I just bought all four of the Wellington woot.plus deals, and the workflow was extremely cumbersome. It took me about 25 clicks and back buttons, and I also had to keep track of which ones I had already bought to avoid buying the same thing again. Seems like some sort of shopping cart metaphor is necessary, now that the likelihood of multiple purchases in a day is greatly increased.

My apologies if this has already been posted, but I don't have time to read through all the posts (I gotta work sometimes eh?).

One thing that immediately struck me as going backwards was when using the "stuff you bought" link.

Previously when I clicked on the link I could see all my prior purchases, and I could click on the previous offer blog and also click on the offer forum. This is sadly now gone, and you have to do a search to find the previous blog or forum.

Very simple to fix, not sure why you would remove these simple yet useful features?

bsevern wrote:My apologies if this has already been posted, but I don't have time to read through all the posts (I gotta work sometimes eh?).

One thing that immediately struck me as going backwards was when using the "stuff you bought" link.

Previously when I clicked on the link I could see all my prior purchases, and I could click on the previous offer blog and also click on the offer forum. This is sadly now gone, and you have to do a search to find the previous blog or forum.

Very simple to fix, not sure why you would remove these simple yet useful features?

yes Yes YES!

The forum for your previous purchases is still available, it just takes more clicks.
In stuff you bought, click on view order details for the order, then click on the link for the offer next to "Your order:". That brings you to the main offer page where you can click join the discussion.

Cesare wrote:The forum for your previous purchases is still available, it just takes more clicks.
In stuff you bought, click on view order details for the order, then click on the link for the offer next to "Your order:". That brings you to the main offer page where you can click join the discussion.

I figured that out, too. The more clicks it takes is obviously part of the marketing strategy which is the apparent main driving force behind this new site design.
BTW, I neglected to mention in my earlier comments on this thread: I'd be happy to see those silly polls go away. Maybe 1 in 10 is worth a look.