chemvictim wrote:I disagree. I don't think they're evil (well, some might be, I don't know). I can appreciate a moral dilemma, but it's your actions that count. I really don't care how badly you feel about it, if you're doing me harm.
OK. Although do note that I haven't suggested any way to resolve the dilemma, and different abortion opponents will suggest different resolutions. Not all will place the fetus as carrying a more primary 'right to life' than the mother.
chemvictim wrote:These people would make it unlawful for me to have an abortion under any circumstances. Relatively minor things like big medical bills, loss of income, career interruption, etc. do not tip the balance in my favor. They would let me suffer grave illness or even die, in extreme circumstances. It's always embryo >>>> woman, every time. That's a little hard to get over, and it's difficult to give it a generous view. I take it personally.
You are painting with an extraordinarily wide brush when a smaller one would do. As I said earlier, I will grant that there are jackasses out there. Not everyone who is against abortion, however, is also a proponent of pregnant woman facing all those obstacles (bills, career disruption, etc), nor is everyone who is against abortion generally also against any abortion all of the time. As others have alluded to in the past, there are are many who see a gradient of acceptability and believe abortion should be illegal in some cases but not in all.
chemvictim wrote:url=http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/nov/14/savita-halappanavar-medically-unnecessary-death] Savita Halappanavar[/url] died a painful and unnecessary death. I think it's very odd that you bring up the idea of painkillers, as if that really makes it better. That is far more generous than I could ever be.
That is a sad story.
I do not find it odd to bring up the idea of painkillers however; I would not have brought them up at all if you hadn't initially written about *painful* deaths. Obviously deaths are something that should generally be avoided. But death and pain, though they often go together, need not automatically go together - hence my question about whether we're assuming that there is some correlation between being against abortion and against painkillers (note - I am being slightly specious here, in that I do not think there is such a link, but am instead trying to make a broader point, which goes back into the 'don't demonize those who disagree with you' idea).