otolith wrote:The duchess was the first wine we tasted.

...

The pinot noir at Iron Horse was sublime...May have to acquire more of that somewhere.

That's probably why I didn't remember it

I would love to get more of that Iron Horse Pinot Noir too, although it was a baby. The $85/bottle price for a 2010 that in all honesty probably should be laid down for ten years before it starts reaching it's potential is an obstacle. K&L has the 2005 for $60, that's half way baked.

JOATMON wrote:I wish you had also shown the back, as well.

The back label states that this was bottled 10-02, which means either October of 2002 or February of 2010. Since I bought it in 2005, the former must be the true date.

It's unclear to me if this was made from the Malmsy grapes. Pre-phylloxera Madeira is probably made from the grape type on the label, but post-phylloxera Madeira is most commonly made in the style on the label, but usually from Tinta Negra Mole grapes. Once Portugal joined the EU, the EU required that all Madeaira with a grape name on the label have at least 85% of that grape in the bottle.

Phylloxera hit the island in the 1870's, which makes me wonder what is in this bottle.

As far as tasting notes, it turned out to be rather good. It didn't require that much decanting, but did open up as time went on.

If you ask nicely ....


Edit: aahh. Too impatient to wait.




According to the back label, it had been in the barrel for 117 years prior to bottling.

MarkDaSpark wrote:If you ask nicely ....


Edit: aahh. Too impatient to wait.




According to the back label, it had been in the barrel for 117 years prior to bottling.

Thank you

rjquillin wrote:Haven't looked at total damages, yet, but the bottle count, 750's and mags, totals 188, I think, in order, not counting the ones I'm forgetting:

1) Wellington 41
2) Harvey 40
3) Pedroncelli (tied 23)
4) Dry Creek (tied 23)
5) Corison (tied 10)
6) Harrison (tied 10)

It really hurts to be on both tours, but ohhhhh, so much fun!

[edit] and now Iron Horse comes up at a HUGE discount...

See that? Our 62 bottles are only a third of that! Of course, we were ONLY on the newbie tour, and one of us was preggerific (not me!) to boot.

5 dessert
15 rose'
17 white
25 red

rjquillin wrote:Haven't looked at total damages, yet, but the bottle count, 750's and mags, totals 188, I think, in order, not counting the ones I'm forgetting:

1) Wellington 41
2) Harvey 40
3) Pedroncelli (tied 23)
4) Dry Creek (tied 23)
5) Corison (tied 10)
6) Harrison (tied 10)

It really hurts to be on both tours, but ohhhhh, so much fun!

[edit] and now Iron Horse comes up at a HUGE discount...

We hauled home 100 bottles, Iron Horse is shipping one that they did not have in stock, and WD is shipping whatever I bought at Hall (I forget how much). A case of that is the Duchess, and considering how well that's gonna work as a summer sipper for me and my +1, I'm wondering if I should have purchased more.

And, to anybody that would claim we ran up the score by being on both tours, all but 6 bottles are from wineries that were on the advanced tour.

Has anybody else looked closely at their Dry Creek receipt? Their discount percentages are really weird, and it looks like they were trying to get the total price out the door including taxes to be a nice round number. Plus, they did not charge any taxes on the 1995 Vintner's Cabernet.

Also, I did not get a discount on the PS vertical from Foppiano. It is a great deal without it a discount, though.

rjquillin wrote:Only had talked to Toby when it was released, he said if they ran low he'd hold one for me.
Purchased the case during the vet's visit, along with a lot of library bottles.

I sit corrected.

JOATMON wrote:I wonder how many Kronos 2001 Magnums Cathy still has in stock. At least three walked out that day.

I suppose you all knew that wine is listed in the "1001 Wines to try before you die", or whatever the correct title is. Someone found a case in Newport, RI at original price that we snatched up.

polarbear22 wrote:I suppose you all knew that wine is listed in the "1001 Wines to try before you die", or whatever the correct title is. Someone found a case in Newport, RI at original price that we snatched up.

And I thank that person for that.

joelsisk wrote:See that? Our 62 bottles are only a third of that! Of course, we were ONLY on the newbie tour, and one of us was preggerific (not me!) to boot.

5 dessert
15 rose'
17 white
25 red

Preggerific is NOT an approved term, for those wondering.

And Joel refused to let me have a small glass of port last night. Something about giving the kid a chance to recuperate or some such nonsense. I just think he's a meanie head.

JOATMON wrote:We hauled home 100 bottles, Iron Horse is shipping one that they did not have in stock, and WD is shipping whatever I bought at Hall (I forget how much). A case of that is the Duchess, and considering how well that's gonna work as a summer sipper for me and my +1, I'm wondering if I should have purchased more.

And, to anybody that would claim we ran up the score by being on both tours, all but 6 bottles are from wineries that were on the advanced tour.

It was nice to ponder what we should have gotten the first two days of the newbie tour, and then to purchase madly the final three days with the vets, wonderful enablers that they were, and shy away from a certain final stop one day we made in common.

Caravan'd back with Sparky and zTimBz and not sure of the total case count we carted that wasn't shipped, but with the stop at Concannon, I think it was easily north of seven or eight cases, as I had some of mine and some overflow for Tim. Sparky had some cases for all three of us.

Shipping:

Just how and when does WD and the WCC staff shove this out their door? David, you gonna contact us for shipping dates or just let 'er rip? Do we get tracking numbers?
I'm new to all of this...

Does anyone have in their notes what the blend percentages were of the LZ Laura's Theme was?
The CT entry ('07 Laura's Theme) has the Variety listed as Port Blend. But that's not really accurate since it's a PS/Zin blend. So I figured I would fix it by making it Red Blend, or PS Blend or Zin Blend if one of those two was appropriately high enough in ratio.

HitAnyKey42 wrote:Does anyone have in their notes what the blend percentages were of the LZ Laura's Theme was?
The CT entry ('07 Laura's Theme) has the Variety listed as Port Blend. But that's not really accurate since it's a PS/Zin blend. So I figured I would fix it by making it Red Blend, or PS Blend or Zin Blend if one of those two was appropriately high enough in ratio.

This is from the sheet they gave us on the Tour #1 tasting:

70% petite sirah from Sonoma County and 30% estate zinfandel

HitAnyKey42 wrote:Does anyone have in their notes what the blend percentages were of the LZ Laura's Theme was?
The CT entry ('07 Laura's Theme) has the Variety listed as Port Blend. But that's not really accurate since it's a PS/Zin blend. So I figured I would fix it by making it Red Blend, or PS Blend or Zin Blend if one of those two was appropriately high enough in ratio.

I know this probably doesn't help at all, but the '05 trade sheet on her website was 100% PS. Nothing on the '07

JOATMON wrote:

Also, I did not get a discount on the PS vertical from Foppiano. It is a great deal without it a discount, though.

They weren't offering us any additional discount on that one (at least on tour 1)

michelleshari wrote:Preggerific is NOT an approved term, for those wondering.

And Joel refused to let me have a small glass of port last night. Something about giving the kid a chance to recuperate or some such nonsense. I just think he's a meanie head.

See, I thought it meant Pregnant & Terrific, which would seem appropriate, because you are both.

And I too, think he just wanted to hog the port!!

MarkDaSpark wrote:See, I thought it meant Pregnant & Terrific, which would seem appropriate, because you are both.

And I too, think he just wanted to hog the port!!

That is what it means. And it's not as if I had an open bottle and wouldn't give her any... She was specifically requesting we OPEN one. I told her we could do that on Friday.

joelsisk wrote:That is what it means. And it's not as if I had an open bottle and wouldn't give her any... She was specifically requesting we OPEN one. I told her we could do that on Friday.

Just like a real life Pub. We get marital spats. Gotta love it. And you were right to defend yourself. Not what I got from first impression.

polarbear22 wrote:Just like a real life Pub. We get marital spats. Gotta love it. And you were right to defend yourself. Not what I got from first impression.

He still said no to his pregnant wife. As far as the laws of pregnancy go, that's a complete and total violation of the rules.

michelleshari wrote:He still said no to his pregnant wife. As far as the laws of pregnancy go, that's a complete and total violation of the rules.

Indeed it is. And it's ill-advised even for non-pregnant wives. We should get you a corkscrew for your birthday so you can bypass the gatekeeper.

disregard.

polarbear22 wrote:Just like a real life Pub. We get marital spats. Gotta love it. And you were right to defend yourself. Not what I got from first impression.

For sure. She's a lawyer. She's trained to present only chosen facts and in such a way that they sway a jury to reach the desired conclusion. I'm an engineer, trained to present all facts in as unbiased a manner as possible,and let the recipient draw their own conclusion. Needless to say I never "win" unless I state my view.

joelsisk wrote:For sure. She's a lawyer. She's trained to present only chosen facts and in such a way that they sway a jury to reach the desired conclusion. I'm an engineer, trained to present all facts in as unbiased a manner as possible,and let the recipient draw their own . Needless to say I never win unless I state my view.

This is why I choose to date a scientist

chemvictim wrote:Indeed it is. And it's ill-advised even for non-pregnant wives. We should get you a corkscrew for your birthday so you can bypass the gatekeeper.

Gatekeeper? no. She simply asked a question, to which I replied. If she had gone down to the wine room and picked one of the 20-some-odd bottles of dessert wine and opened it, I would not have stopped her.

joelsisk wrote:Gatekeeper? no. She simply asked a question, to which I replied. If she had gone down to the wine room and picked one of the 20-some-odd bottles of dessert wine and opened it, I would not have stopped her.

LOL

Isn't this fun?

joelsisk wrote:Gatekeeper? no. She simply asked a question, to which I replied. If she had gone down to the wine room and picked one of the 20-some-odd bottles of dessert wine and opened it, I would not have stopped her.

And who said engineers can't quibble with the best of lawyers?

joelsisk wrote:Gatekeeper? no. She simply asked a question, to which I replied. If she had gone down to the wine room and picked one of the 20-some-odd bottles of dessert wine and opened it, I would not have stopped her.

Your CT must be a little out of date, I went to look at it pick out a port for her and don't see any! Tell her if she updates the CT then she can have some port, lol.

rpm wrote:And who said engineers can't quibble with the best of lawyers?

probably the engineers.

I see that I am overwhelmingly outnumbered by the barristers, and will henceforth withdraw.

North316 wrote:Your CT must be a little out of date, I went to look at it pick out a port for her and don't see any! Tell her if she updates the CT then she can have some port, lol.

It's actually on the "to do" list for maternity leave.

joelsisk wrote:probably the engineers.

I see that I am overwhelmingly outnumbered by the barristers, and will henceforth withdraw.

Engineers Unite!

Remember, I was the one that said on the bus that Rob couldn't undergo cytokinesis because lawyers aren't QUITE that low a form of life.

(In hindsight, thinking back on my Astro-biology class, my professor would have scolded me for referring to single cell organisms generically as lower forms of life, but that is a whole other discussion)

Lawyers can be quite fun to talk to though, they are generally intelligent which is not nearly as good an assumption for the general populace.

(Ouch, the back of my hand is stinging for some reason :-P )

cmaldoon wrote:Engineers Unite!

Remember, I was the one that said on the bus that Rob couldn't undergo cytokinesis because lawyers aren't QUITE that low a form of life.

(In hindsight, thinking back on my Astro-biology class, my professor would have scolded me for referring to single cell organisms generically as lower forms of life, but that is a whole other discussion)

Lawyers can be quite fun to talk to though, they are generally intelligent which is not nearly as good an assumption for the general populace.

(Ouch, the back of my hand is stinging for some reason :-P )

Some of us, my dear engineer, have actually read C.P. Snow's The Two Cultures, have taken it to heart, and are both literate and numerate.

One of the great problems in the world is that engineers who want to run things do not have a sufficiently broad and deep education in history and philosophy, and the psychology one can understand from literature and history and the arts -- in short, human nature -- to avoid the sorts of ghastly mistakes made by those who worship technology, or who seek to apply scientific socialism or similar claptrap.

This is, however, a conversation for another seminar and large quantities of sherry or port.

rpm wrote:snip...
This is, however, a conversation for another seminar and large quantities of sherry or port.

Where do we sign up for that one?

rpm wrote:Some of us, my dear engineer, have actually read C.P. Snow's The Two Cultures, have taken it to heart, and are both literate and numerate.

This is, however, a conversation for another seminar and large quantities of sherry or port.

Humm, shades of an upcoming 2014 that could be quite interesting, and potentially expensive as well.

rpm wrote:Some of us, my dear engineer, have actually read C.P. Snow's The Two Cultures, have taken it to heart, and are both literate and numerate.

One of the great problems in the world is that engineers who want to run things do not have a sufficiently broad and deep education in history and philosophy, and the psychology one can understand from literature and history and the arts -- in short, human nature -- to avoid the sorts of ghastly mistakes made by those who worship technology, or who seek to apply scientific socialism or similar claptrap.

This is, however, a conversation for another seminar and large quantities of sherry or port.

Well said. And yes. Please sign Joel up.

joelsisk wrote:Where do we sign up for that one?

I think we already had it a few times over in the politics thread. I didn't know I was supposed to be drinking port for it though, so I probably missed some important points.

rpm wrote:Some of us, my dear engineer, have actually read C.P. Snow's The Two Cultures, have taken it to heart, and are both literate and numerate.

One of the great problems in the world is that engineers who want to run things do not have a sufficiently broad and deep education in history and philosophy, and the psychology one can understand from literature and history and the arts -- in short, human nature -- to avoid the sorts of ghastly mistakes made by those who worship technology, or who seek to apply scientific socialism or similar claptrap.

This is, however, a conversation for another seminar and large quantities of sherry or port.

I quite agree. My comment was firmly tongue in cheek other than the part about lawyers being intelligent, they generally truly are like most people who do that many years of post secondary education.

I will also second the fact that many engineers are woefully under educated in the areas outside of math and science. I am certainly no shining beacon in the darkness and yet I am still appauled at how dim many engineers I schooled and worked with are with respect to the humanities. And yes, a conversation for a good glass of port... Or at least the politics thread.

JOATMON wrote:We hauled home 100 bottles, Iron Horse is shipping one that they did not have in stock, and WD is shipping whatever I bought at Hall (I forget how much). A case of that is the Duchess, and considering how well that's gonna work as a summer sipper for me and my +1, I'm wondering if I should have purchased more.

And, to anybody that would claim we ran up the score by being on both tours, all but 6 bottles are from wineries that were on the advanced tour.

+1 thinks we should have purchased more! :-p

polarbear22 wrote:Just like a real life Pub. We get marital spats. Gotta love it. And you were right to defend yourself. Not what I got from first impression.

Now, now. No marital spats in front of the newly engaged pair, please!

joelsisk wrote:Where do we sign up for that one?

Or when you three (or four by that time) show up in SoCal, I can open some of the various Ports, Madeiras, and Dessert Wines in the Cave of Wonders (as I will henceforth refer to my Irvine Wine Lockers as).

Vincent Arroyo PS Port
Clayhouse Late Harvest PS
Laura Zahtila Laura's Theme Dessert Wine (PS/Zin)
David Fulton Sweet Petite (PS, Duh!)
Clos LaChance 2007 Late Harvest Semillon
Used Automobile Parts Dessert Wine
Nicolaysen Family Vineyards Late Harvest Pinot Blanc
Jana Angel Ice
Wellington Old Vines Port
Wellington White Port
Harvest Moon Late Harvest Zinfandel
J. Dusi Zin Port
BARRA Bella Dolce Dessert Wine
Kent Rasmussen Esoterica 2008 Vermelho Forte
Woot Cellars Vinito del Finito 2010 Late Harvest Zin
Meyer Family Port
Harvest Moon Estate & Winery Late Harvest Zin and Ice-Style Gewürz
Fonseca Port
Quinta do Vesuvio Port
RWC Historic Series Madeira
Prager PS Royal Escort Port
Prager White Port
and various other Ports & Madeiras.


Oh, and a set of Kent's 2004 Esoterica Ports.

MarkDaSpark wrote:Or when you three (or four by that time) show up in SoCal, I can open some of the various Ports, Madeiras, and Dessert Wines in the Cave of Wonders (as I will henceforth refer to my Irvine Wine Lockers as).

*Long list of Tasty*

I WILL BE THERE ... with sufficient advanced notice.

A warm evening that can drift into the wee hours of the morning... Good wine, a few nibbles to go with it, and grand conversation. Yep, I'm in!

(and the aforementioned C.P. Snow title is inbound)