rpm


quality posts: 150 Private Messages rpm
richardhod wrote:some may use the Davis system, but on reading it it's so plain, rigid and inflexible, IMHO it's entirely unusable as a good communicative tool to impart information about a wine in an informatively interesting enough matter for anyone to give a truck about it. It's trying to be almost all objective in a space where most of the important parts are so filtered by our minds that objectivity in its narrowly-defined sense is both impossible and meaningless. There are many ways to grade something, but I, personally, would deem the Davis system a bad, or even wrong way to report!



I respectfully disagree. But, I've been familiar with the Davis approach for close to 50 years. It was probably much more necessary when it was developed, and there is a tendency now for wines to bunch up at the upper end, but I think it remains useful. I certainly prefer it to the 100 point systems, which seem to me to suggest that one can accurately convert excessively subtle subjective distinctions into a usable numerical scale. Moreover, despite the overall improvement in the quality of winemaking, there remains a remarkable amount of wine out there (often from relatively high-priced boutiques, sadly) that exhibits the sort of flaws the Davis scale was designed to highlight and detect.


As to the offered wine: you're right it's on the edge of a bit sweet. This was very common 40 years ago and more in red table wine. Although people always claim they prefer red wine to be dry, extensive consumer taste testing in the '50s and '60s by various wineries showed that once you excluded the serious and knowledgeable wine drinker with a sophisticated palate - then a very small group in this country - most people preferred a wine with a bit of residual sugar.

I refer to generics here not as a knock on this wine -- which my review in the Winter showed I like -- but because the better generics in those days got quite a bit of quality fruit of a sort that goes into wines like InZinerator today. Even though winemaking has overall improved, and there are vastly increased quantities of noble varieties, the quality of the fruit in good generics was surprisingly good, and many of them were very well made wines.

Interestingly, because many Italian wines are quite dry, it was usually the generic 'chianti' blends that carried more residual sugar. In the old days, if you looked at three wines from the same winery, one labeled 'Claret', one labeled 'Burgundy', and one labeled 'Chianti' the chances were pretty good that the 'Claret' would be the driest of the three (probably under .75 rs) , the 'Burgundy' would be somewhere in the middle (probably between .75 and 1.5 rs), and the 'Chianti' would have the most residual sugar (1.5+ rs). There were exceptions (Sebastiani, Martini, Pedroncelli), but these were sort of the rule.

I would say the InZinerator comes in closer to the weight and rs of an older Burgundy generic than either a Claret or Chianti.

Wine-tasting in 8 words:
Pull lots of corks!
Remember what you taste!

adams828


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I'm in! Couldn't pass up my 1st Scott Harvey after reading about the community contribution. While I didn't add to the discussion then, would love to be able to add rat notes!

mclonghorn


quality posts: 7 Private Messages mclonghorn

In for 1 and available to Rat - looking forward to finding out what all the buzz surrounding Scott's wines is about!!

borisgoodenough


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thelecroy wrote:Any food pairing suggestions?



We tasted this with Scott last week here in Meeeechigan; went fine with roast beef off the grill. My killer choice would probably be smoked ribs with a seriously tangy barbecue sauce.

coynedj


quality posts: 7 Private Messages coynedj

You're certainly not making life easy for us SIWBM people! Even with an overabundance of wine on its way to me after the tour, I might have to jump in for this. For the wine, of course, but also in appreciation for all that Scott has done for we wooters - his contributions on this site, and of course the dinner at his place on the tour.

I started out on Burgundy but soon hit the harder stuff. Bob Dylan, Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues

How on earth did I get 7 QPs?

rpm


quality posts: 150 Private Messages rpm
borisgoodenough wrote:We tasted this with Scott last week here in Meeeechigan; went fine with roast beef off the grill. My killer choice would probably be smoked ribs with a seriously tangy barbecue sauce.



BBQ sauce would be a mistake with this wine, IMHO. See rpm February 2010 notes. Cheron98, who had it with ribs, see Cheron98 notes, seems to agree, see Cheron98 reply to rpm.

Wine-tasting in 8 words:
Pull lots of corks!
Remember what you taste!

robiereader


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I've been waiting for this one. Tried to be noble and gift a bottle last time, but my taste buds just wouldn't let me. We were just in San Francisco and I'm kicking myself for not visiting Scott Harvey : ( I WILL join the club. Hoping to RAT this one (does celebrating your anniversary and your significantly-numbered birthday help get you in the LABRAT happy pile?)

simonshop


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Never posted a comment before, but love this forum. Couldn't pass this one up, in for 2. Never ratted before, but would love to! Is "ratted" a word?

simonshop


quality posts: 0 Private Messages simonshop

Wow, 2 posts and still early.

What is the info on the Minnesota event this wknd? Couldn't seem to find it anywhere.

alexthecritic


quality posts: 0 Private Messages alexthecritic

Did anyone else get the Itchy and Scratchy and Poochie reference in the description?

jhkey


quality posts: 50 Private Messages jhkey

So I've been on a SIWBM due to the hot weather here in the Dirty South, but everything I've read about this "woot community blend" has me itching to give it a try.

Also - I'm in town this week and would LOVE TO RAT!

"I double the doctor's recommendation of a glass and a half of wine a day and even treble it with a friend."
- Thomas Jefferson (CT)

orthancstone


quality posts: 1 Private Messages orthancstone

Been waiting for this to come up. WBM be damned, I'm not passing today.

Signing up to rat this one.

lahargis


quality posts: 3 Private Messages lahargis

Easy decision this morning..

k1avg


quality posts: 82 Private Messages k1avg
rpm wrote:BBQ sauce would be a mistake with this wine, IMHO. See rpm February 2010 notes. Cheron98, who had it with ribs, see Cheron98 notes, seems to agree, see Cheron98 reply to rpm.



I suspect this may be the first recorded use of citation clauses on Woot.

--
Lawyer (of sorts) by day. Drinker of fine wines, homebrewer of fine beers, connoisseur of fine Scotches by night.
The current holdings.

rpm


quality posts: 150 Private Messages rpm
k1avg wrote:I suspect this may be the first recorded use of citation clauses on Woot.



Well, at least I didn't do them as fully Bluebooked footnotes....

Wine-tasting in 8 words:
Pull lots of corks!
Remember what you taste!

ddeuddeg


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tupawk wrote:Why no NC!?


IIRC, it seems that the NC authorities felt that, because of the "cartoon" nature of the labels, this wine might appeal to underage drinkers, and therefore have banned it from distribution in the state.

"Always keep a bottle of Champagne in the fridge for special occasions. Sometimes the special occasion is that you've got a bottle of Champagne in the fridge". - Hester Browne


Ddeuddeg's Cheesecake Cookbook

rmm989


quality posts: 26 Private Messages rmm989

I couldn't tell in the notes that were linked, but does the port come out as strongly in this version? I don't care for it, and the last vintage was too much for me.

CT

longjohn


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Sirwootsalot wrote:In for one.

Wow, expensive day for me. Bought the Kodak camera on woot, the breadmaker on sellout.woot, and now the Zin on wine.woot!

Would love to be rewarded for my spendage by being chosen to rat! My birthday is this week too - on the same day as my 6th anniversary of being a woot member! Woot!!!



Heck, might as well buy the tee shirt too ;-)
I'm in for one.

rpm


quality posts: 150 Private Messages rpm
ddeuddeg wrote:IIRC, it seems that the NC authorities felt that, because of the "cartoon" nature of the labels, this wine might appeal to underage drinkers, and therefore have banned it from distribution in the state.



Should have put together a special label just for NC showing an aging UDC* widow (recognizable by the Stars and Bars in the background) raising her small glass and saying It's God's Tonic! Lydia Pinkham, move over. I always have a tot after dinner for my stomach's sake - even all the damnYankees down here these days are easier to take after my daily InZinerator!"

*UDC (for those raised North of The Line) = United Daughters of the Confederacy.

Wine-tasting in 8 words:
Pull lots of corks!
Remember what you taste!

necyclone


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no Nebraska this time?- I don't think I've missed too many SH offerings

rpm


quality posts: 150 Private Messages rpm
necyclone wrote:no Nebraska this time?- I don't think I've missed too many SH offerings



Label for Nebraska - Substitute Wm. J. Bryan for Confederate widow, a Bible for the Stars and Bars. Substitute even the Cross of Gold is easier to take after my daily InZinerator! for reference to damnYankees.

Wine-tasting in 8 words:
Pull lots of corks!
Remember what you taste!

Claymore


quality posts: 1 Private Messages Claymore

Gotta get Michigan outa the black. Especially after tasting with Scott after the MI wine judging last week.

BTW, Borisgoodenough should be re-tagged: Borisgreatenough. He's one of Michigan's great wine proponents eductaing the world that there is great juice coming from here too.

Oh, and I'd be honored to be a labrat this week.

McMalbec


quality posts: 6 Private Messages McMalbec

Would Love to Rat this week as I recover from bites of the MN state bird sustained in the Ely area last week BUT the " I Want One Button" is NOT RESPONDING.

koneco


quality posts: 16 Private Messages koneco
borisgoodenough wrote:We tasted this with Scott last week here in Meeeechigan; went fine with roast beef off the grill. My killer choice would probably be smoked ribs with a seriously tangy barbecue sauce.



Where in MI? :D

bbarlame


quality posts: 17 Private Messages bbarlame

Add WV to the list and I'll be in...

cheron98


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borisgoodenough wrote:We tasted this with Scott last week here in Meeeechigan; went fine with roast beef off the grill. My killer choice would probably be smoked ribs with a seriously tangy barbecue sauce.



omigosh yes it was SO much better last week than when we tasted it way back in January. But I'd still lay off the sauce. That roast beef was awesome (and perfect) with it just as-is, no sauce.

CT | I saw HitAnyKey42 on wine.woot! and clicked "I want one!"

cheron98


quality posts: 120 Private Messages cheron98
rmm989 wrote:I couldn't tell in the notes that were linked, but does the port come out as strongly in this version? I don't care for it, and the last vintage was too much for me.



It does not. What made the 2006 so ridiculously sweet was not the Forte, as it turns out, but rather the grape juice concentrate that had been added. That concentrate is not in the 2007 vintage, per the majority vote by us wooters.

The 2007 is much more on the dry style, much more similar to the 2003/2004 vintages. You do get a very very very slight touch of sweetness (think raisins) out of it, but just barely, and you kind of have to go looking for it.

CT | I saw HitAnyKey42 on wine.woot! and clicked "I want one!"

cheron98


quality posts: 120 Private Messages cheron98
koneco wrote:Where in MI? :D



Brighton area was where that tasting was held. Generally we have our w.w gatherings in the metro Detroit area. So you should totally keep an eye out for them. I usually get very loud on the forums about them and hijack threads all over the place to let everyone know about them

CT | I saw HitAnyKey42 on wine.woot! and clicked "I want one!"

lurcher


quality posts: 8 Private Messages lurcher

After 2 recent cooked shipments of Corrison, and the fact that it's not looking like Dallas will have highs under 100 for the coming weeks, I have to pass.

Summer shipping is just no match for this heat

Argh....

denise4080


quality posts: 1 Private Messages denise4080

In for 1 and avail to rat.
I enjoyed the 06 version this should be great too!

cheron98


quality posts: 120 Private Messages cheron98
Let’s have ten, count ‘em, TEN Wine.Woot community members volunteer to taste this offering. Step right up and sign right up at winecountryconnect.com/labrat!



TEN?

WD, yer gonna kill me with all that packing...

Assuming, of course, they all show up and post. Dirty rats...

I haven't yet placed my order yet. Only because I'm waiting til after the rat deadline. Since I've already been ratted on this (Thanks Scott!)

CT | I saw HitAnyKey42 on wine.woot! and clicked "I want one!"

InFrom


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denise4080 wrote:In for 1 and avail to rat.
I enjoyed the 06 version this should be great too!



Ditto and ditto! Looking forward to comparing this one to the 06.

ssoard


quality posts: 5 Private Messages ssoard

Super excited to try InZINerator after all the "talk" I am always reading. And I've never been a rat - I'd love to try it.

koneco


quality posts: 16 Private Messages koneco

Hey ... what's the likelihood of this wine arriving within two weeks? I am in Michigan for two more weeks, and I'll be moving back to NH and/or VT, both of which ain't on the list. If the chances are poor, I'm gonna have to say no.

EDIT:
I had to do this last year as well, around the same time. IT'S LIKE CLOCKWORK, this InZINerator! Last time I ordered while at work in NH and it got there once I arrived in MI. A few days later. Still, I am worried.

anhaire


quality posts: 4 Private Messages anhaire

Anyone in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area willing to split? I can pick it up.

illegalhands


quality posts: 0 Private Messages illegalhands

Interested in this offering. Just noticed that the shipping was $7.00 for the 4 bottles. I thought everything was $5.00. Is this a new thing for Woot or just for this item?

jrlittlejr


quality posts: 0 Private Messages jrlittlejr

Normally not a huge Zin drinker... but need to add some to my cellar. Missed this one the last time and regreted it... so in for 2! Would love to labrat.

Kd5ddo


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I have to agree with the excitement for this offering. This is one I have been waiting for since reading the previous comments for the InZINerator. Heck, I even signed up to be a labrat today in hopes of being a lucky one... :-)

In for 2!

ryancguy


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illegalhands wrote:Interested in this offering. Just noticed that the shipping was $7.00 for the 4 bottles. I thought everything was $5.00. Is this a new thing for Woot or just for this item?



I hear it's for refrigerated shipping....to beat the heat!

koneco


quality posts: 16 Private Messages koneco
illegalhands wrote:Interested in this offering. Just noticed that the shipping was $7.00 for the 4 bottles. I thought everything was $5.00. Is this a new thing for Woot or just for this item?



Summer shipping, sir. Supposedly ensures your wine isn't boiling on the way over, but who honestly knows.