WhereAmI2 wrote:I checked my local laws and as far as I know its legal.
http://www.legis.state.wi.us/2007/data/SB-485.pdf
Provided there's a permit.

See PM about wootlegging.

But Wisconsin? Since when do they have draconian laws?

I have a question for the Wine.Woot staff: do you only ship via UPS? UPS service in Seattle is mind-bogglingly terrible, and I cringe every time I want to order something online where UPS is the only shipping option.

More traditional style wine. Nice.

First sucker: mill
Speed to first woot: 9m 42.703s
Last wooter to woot: kblais

Ready and able to rat, WD!

Casey7Hills wrote:The primary motivation is [to] show the personality of one site with the Klipsun, a great Cab site on Red Mountain.

you had me at Red Mountain...

themostrighteous wrote:
you had me at Red Mountain...

I definitely perked up at that as well, but then read that the '06 is 'just' Columbia Valley'. Big area, a great deal of variety, and not all to the good...

Winedavid39 wrote:
Edit: fixed spelling. so my wife was right all these years....

You're just finding this out?

I'm excited to try the Seven Hills cabs, the only wine of theirs I've had was the 2005 Tempranillo and I enjoyed that so much I bought a case. I'm in, I just wish I could order more than 1.

nallie wrote: Seeing that I was limited to only one set upon ordering further suggests this will be a quick sell-out.

Until I read this post, I'd probably have overlooked that. Now I have to decide more quickly. It looks too good to pass up, despite the lack of space. I don't know whether to thank you or curse you.

ddeuddeg wrote:Until I read this post, I'd probably have overlooked that. Now I have to decide more quickly. It looks too good to pass up, despite the lack of space. I don't know whether to thank you or curse you.

For me the limit of 1 is actually a detractor. When I decide to buy (here, brick & mortar retail, other sites, etc...), I'm almost always getting at least 2.... 1 to drink now so I can assess my purchase and 1 (or more) to save for it's optimum drinking window.

My personal experience (YMMV.. just MY opinion) with Washington reds says that the QPR is usually out of whack compared to what you can get from California.

LOVE Klipsun cab. Thanks so much for wooting, Casey!

edit: It appears that there are buttons available for "I want two" or "I want three". I don't know if they ultimately work.

spdrcr05 wrote:
My personal experience (YMMV.. just MY opinion) with Washington reds says that the QPR is usually out of whack compared to what you can get from California.

This is the exact opposite of my experience, at least at the higher end. But as you said, YMMV.

aces219 wrote:
edit: It appears that there are buttons available for "I want two" or "I want three". I don't know if they ultimately work.

The buttons are indeed there now, but were not last night.

Decisions, decisions...

How good is this deal?

Shipping is a little tricky to calculate on this one, as the winery website does not provide specific shipping costs, but we all know no one beats woot shipping, anyway. So unless you're picking this up at the winery and already belong to their wine club, your just not going to see the same prices as is offered here.

You know the routine: click the link above for details on the discount, CT prices, etc..

Winedavid39 wrote:
Edit: fixed spelling. so my wife was right all these years....

Oh, I thought that was a reference to Peter's (likely joke) comment yesterday that you couldn't spell when we were trying to guess at the clue. And then you did the misspelling when referencing Peter and ... it's all so terribly meta that I didn't realize that it was unintentional. Sorry, I'm really not that much of a donkey. I do, apparently, have too much time on my hands to read all that into it. :-/

aces219 wrote:This is the exact opposite of my experience, at least at the higher end. But as you said, YMMV.

You wouldn't be just a wee bit biased, would you?

spdrcr05 wrote:For me the limit of 1 is actually a detractor. When I decide to buy (here, brick & mortar retail, other sites, etc...), I'm almost always getting at least 2.... 1 to drink now so I can assess my purchase and 1 (or more) to save for it's optimum drinking window.

My personal experience (YMMV.. just MY opinion) with Washington reds says that the QPR is usually out of whack compared to what you can get from California.

You can now buy more than one set.

I'm interested in discussing the relative QPR of Washington/Oregon reds vs. California. Would you consider expanding on your opinion in a thread in the "World of Woot Wine" area?

WhereAmI2 wrote:I checked my local laws and as far as I know its legal.
http://www.legis.state.wi.us/2007/data/SB-485.pdf
Provided there's a permit.

Small wineries don't necessarily get permits for every state. Depending on the scale of production and distribution, it doesn't necessarily make sense to ship everywhere theoretically possible.

Know any wootleggers?

I will throw my hat into the ring. I bought pedroncelli and this week's after a fairly long hiatus from purchases. I'm looking forward to the acidity and moderated alcohol, cough, wd, cough cough.

Casey, do you have records of the brix when the grapes were picked?


edit: so many people beat me to so many of the things I said above.

speedoo wrote:I'm interested in discussing the relative QPR of Washington/Oregon reds vs. California. Would you consider expanding on your opinion in a thread in the "World of Woot Wine" area?

I'd be curious to follow this discussion as well. Based on a small sample size of personal experience and the info on multiple Woot offers, my impression is Washington wines are reaching the same levels of flavor development without the extreme sugar levels and super-high pHs present in much of California.

ddeuddeg wrote:Until I read this post, I'd probably have overlooked that. Now I have to decide more quickly. It looks too good to pass up, despite the lack of space. I don't know whether to thank you or curse you.

EDIT: No longer applicable, since I want 2, I want 3 buttons have appeared.

Winedavid39 wrote:Peter, once again does not disappoint.

And welcome to Woot Casey from Seven Hills.

Edit: fixed spelling. so my wife was right all these years....

Have appropriately archived this. Printed, framed, hanging over desk.

Second wine in a row that actually ships to Arizona, and no more "tediously long delivery times." Did something change?

I have had Seven Hills Merlot in the past and have LOVED it. So I would imagine their Cab is pretty similar.

winefarm wrote:Have appropriately archived this. Printed, framed, hanging over desk.

that would be HIS desk right? ;)

yumitori wrote:I definitely perked up at that as well, but then read that the '06 is 'just' Columbia Valley'. Big area, a great deal of variety, and not all to the good...

tru dat, but i am always willing to give WD the benefit of the doubt on at least one bottle per order when i order (which, alas, is less & less frequently these days) - that would be the 2006 in this particular case.

EDIT: and if you don't think THAT sounds like dissonance reduction... :D

Just popping in to say that I've had the 05 cab and it was delicious. Well integrated, a bit spicy, long smooth finish. I think I bought it for around 30 bucks.

Haven't had the 06 cab, but I'm usually more than happy with Seven Hills' juice. I had the 06 Malbec a week or two ago and it was also great.


Just an aside as to WA vs CA QPR, I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that it's WA that is out of whack. With the level of growth out here I think there are plenty of values. Of course, with all these new wineries there's bound to be some duds as well I suppose.

themostrighteous wrote:tru dat, but i am always willing to give WD the benefit of the doubt on at least one bottle per order when i order (which, alas, is less & less frequently these days) - that would be the 2006 in this particular case.

EDIT: and if you don't think THAT sounds like dissonance reduction... :D

I hear you. It's been a long time since I've ordered -- the K Syrah 6(!) weeks ago, which I think is the longest I've gone without ordering since I started really frequenting this part of wooting (with the exception of bar exam/israel trip separating purchases from 7/9/07 to 9/9/07)

It's a combination of:

• girlfriend (and she doesn't really enjoy alcohol in general, meaning I drink much less wine with meals than I used to)
  
• being basically at/overflowing my storage capacity as future orders are coming in, and with a planned move within 3-4 months
  
• finances being tight

stovicek wrote:sigh... no Ohio again?

too true. We are working on that for the next time...after all, Cincinnati is THE city of Seven Hills!

Casey7Hills wrote:too true. We are working on that for the next time...after all, Cincinnati is THE city of Seven Hills!

Even though Cincinnati is named after a Roman, and Cleveland has a suburb that's even named Seven Hills, I think Rome is actually the original.

canonizer wrote:Small wineries don't necessarily get permits for every state. Depending on the scale of production and distribution, it doesn't necessarily make sense to ship everywhere theoretically possible.

Know any wootleggers?

I will throw my hat into the ring. I bought pedroncelli and this week's after a fairly long hiatus from purchases. I'm looking forward to the acidity and moderated alcohol, cough, wd, cough cough.

Casey, do you have records of the brix when the grapes were picked?


edit: so many people beat me to so many of the things I said above.

The Klipsun Cab was about 24.5B at harvest, and the weighted average on the Col Val Cab was in the low to mid 24s brix-wise.

gcdyersb wrote:I'd be curious to follow this discussion as well. Based on a small sample size of personal experience and the info on multiple Woot offers, my impression is Washington wines are reaching the same levels of flavor development without the extreme sugar levels and super-high pHs present in much of California.

Right on. In general you will find a little lower alcohols and pHs up north here. We cool down more rapidly in the final months of the season. This makes for nicely balanced wines with food, and less palate-fatigueing.

PetiteSirah wrote:Yay for washington cab!

Question 1 for the winemaker: How would you compare your winemaking style to some of the other washington cabs we've had on here -- e.g., Pepper Bridge '01 Cab, Reininger Helix, Reininger?

To summarize, more restrained oak, a lighter touch on the alcohol, a bit brighter pH. Perhaps significantly older vines in the mix. The effect, overall is wines that reflect their origin in the vineyard, are subtle but complex, pair well with food, and that keep you engaged in the wine til the bottle is empty. Also, I like to believe that my quarter century of experience in the wine biz and a long history of visiting and tasting wines of other region helps drive the house style here at Seven Hills

Casey7Hills wrote:The Klipsun Cab was about 24.5B at harvest, and the weighted average on the Col Val Cab was in the low to mid 24s brix-wise.

That's where probably 60% of Napa and Sonoma Cabernet Sauvignon was harvested before 1980.

PetiteSirah wrote:Question 3-5 for the winemaker:
What is the pH of each wine?
How would you describe the tannin structure of each?
Building on the last 2 questions, what would you say is the ideal drinking/aging window for each wine?

Can I fill in further details that haven't appeared in previous posts.... I don't want to leave any unanswered questions lingering....

ddeuddeg wrote:You wouldn't be just a wee bit biased, would you?

It's true that I enjoy Washington wine and that I have the greatest opportunities to taste it since I live here, but I am also a sucker for CA cab. And if anyone has had Betz cab for <$60 a bottle, I don't know how you can tell me that CA consistently has better QPR. However, I can see the previous poster's point that it is possible that CA is better in the $10 - 20 space, though I think Yakima Valley has some screaming values here too.

speedoo wrote:You can now buy more than one set.

I'm interested in discussing the relative QPR of Washington/Oregon reds vs. California. Would you consider expanding on your opinion in a thread in the "World of Woot Wine" area?

Adding my opinion there next.

NOOOO!!!!! WV isn't on the list... What's a Cab lover to do.... No close wootleggers either...

Should I send some to my daughter in Texas to try?... decisions decisions...

yumitori wrote:I noticed that the production of the 2006 was six times that of the 2005.

Was that one of the factors that figured into the more cosmopolitan blend of the former vintage?

No, the vineyard designate is from one single block of vineyard, planted in 1989. We are limited by the size of the crop.

With the Columbia Valley Cab, we are free to search for those particular blocks that offer something to the blend. This varies with the vintage. So you have multiple sources instead of just one.

vwsmaltz wrote:NOOOO!!!!! WV isn't on the list... What's a Cab lover to do.... No close wootleggers either...

Should I send some to my daughter in Texas to try?... decisions decisions...

Without question, send it to your daughter! Or, a friend in DC?

Wine David,

Why is it that on Sunday night we were only able to order one unit? Now the normal ordering is in place. I would have bought more than one unit at that time.

Thanks in advance, Brian