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kramsauer wrote:Thanks. I'll keep it around until it gets hot again here in Houston.

So count on about a week.



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JOATMON wrote:It also lets the winemaker build up his mailing list so he can spam you with junk mail: http://www.woot.com/Forums/ViewPost.aspx?PostID=1698593



I would hardly call it spamming with junk mail. I have placed 2 orders on wine.woot for chaucer products and have received by mail, 1 piece of mail from them. I do not see where this is different then any company you buy from adding you to their mail list. I'm sure if you contacted Chaucer/Bargetto, they'd be more then happy to remove your name from their mail list.

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BARGETTO wrote:
CHAUCER'S MEAD is produced with a 10.5% alcohol level. Hence, it is meant to be consumed within one year of purchase. If the alcohol level was higher, we would expect it to keep it fresh honey flavors for longer.



Uhoh. Better get on that bottle I have laying around...

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MaskedMarvel wrote:So I thought most of it tasted like liquid sugar coated donkey butt. ...



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The imagery!

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Now the question: Is it in your field - or at least related?


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Jerry559 wrote:So, if you had to pick a hard cider, would it be Strongbow or Blackthorn?...Or something completely different?



Honestly I haven't had anything commercially produced that I like nearly as much as what my brother in law makes. They've done a pretty broad selection from dry still (i.e. not sparkling, like a weak apple wine) to sparkling off-dry with various apple blends. I'll try various ciders on tap when available, but for the most part they seem to fill the same purpose as Smirnoff Ice, Bacardi Silver, etc. -- provide an easy way to get alcohol into your date (or self).

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Do these bottles come with the spice bags shown on the website?

Wine only comes in one color...Red...

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To everyone on the fence about this product...

These might be good to pickup just for their fun recipe's. (i.e. marinades, sauces, drinks, etc.)

go here for a sample:
Mead Recipes

Wine only comes in one color...Red...

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FatJ wrote:Mead (IPA: /ˈmiːd/) is a fermented alcoholic beverage made of honey, water, and yeast. Meadhing (ˈmɛ.ðɪŋ) is the practice of brewing honey. Mead is also colloquially known as "honey wine".



Folks, maybe I can add a few cents to this discussion of Mead and what the mead product is in relation to other table wines.

Indeed, FatJ is correct that Mead is produced from honey, water, and yeast. In fact historians now think the first Mead came from Mesopotamia (modern day Iraq) from evaluating the residual material on 5000 year old clay pots. Just think of the possibilty for peace if Mead had become the national drink like Ethiopia. But that is another story.

Another part of the Mead story is the production method. Some meads are produced by blending white grape wine with honey and calling it mead. Some producers also add flavorings and herbs to the formula.

CHAUCER'S MEAD is produced by just fermenting honey that has had water added to it to lower the fermentalble sugar levels. For those that have ever tried to ferment honey, you will appreciate the difficulties that ensue trying to ferment honey with all its natural yeast inhibitors. Anyway, the difficulty is worth for us.

Our Mead is also a blend of different types of honey. Each honey gives the wine a distinctive flavor profile. Alfalfa gives the blend more color. Sage adds spice to the nose and flavor. Orange blossom provides a unique citrus floral note to the flavor.

We have decided to produce the wine in a somewhat sweet style to help smooth out the natural bitter components in honey which help to keep the wine fresh. We think you will find CHAUCER'S MEAD to stay fresh for up to one year. With only 10.5% alcohol, our Mead has relatively low alcohol compared with other meads and table wines from grapes.

We hope you enjoy CHAUCER'S MEAD at one of your local Ren Faires or purchasing a bottle through Wine.Woot. If you have any more questions or suggestions about CHAUCER'S MEAD, please just post them to the blog. We will have some of our winery professionals on blog alert through the week.

Salute!

Marty Bargetto
President, Owner CHAUCER'S CELLARS

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BARGETTO wrote:Folks, maybe I can add a few cents to this discussion of Mead and what the mead product is in relation to other table wines.

Indeed, FatJ is correct that Mead is produced from honey, water, and yeast. In fact historians now think the first Mead came from Mesopotamia (modern day Iraq) from evaluating the residual material on 5000 year old clay pots. Just think of the possibilty for peace if Mead had become the national drink like Ethiopia. But that is another story.

Another part of the Mead story is the production method. Some meads are produced by blending white grape wine with honey and calling it mead. Some producers also add flavorings and herbs to the formula.

CHAUCER'S MEAD is produced by just fermenting honey that has had water added to it to lower the fermentalble sugar levels. For those that have ever tried to ferment honey, you will appreciate the difficulties that ensue trying to ferment honey with all its natural yeast inhibitors. Anyway, the difficulty is worth for us.

Our Mead is also a blend of different types of honey. Each honey gives the wine a distinctive flavor profile. Alfalfa gives the blend more color. Sage adds spice to the nose and flavor. Orange blossom provides a unique citrus floral note to the flavor.

We have decided to produce the wine in a somewhat sweet style to help smooth out the natural bitter components in honey which help to keep the wine fresh. We think you will find CHAUCER'S MEAD to stay fresh for up to one year. With only 10.5% alcohol, our Mead has relatively low alcohol compared with other meads and table wines from grapes.

We hope you enjoy CHAUCER'S MEAD at one of your local Ren Faires or purchasing a bottle through Wine.Woot. If you have any more questions or suggestions about CHAUCER'S MEAD, please just post them to the blog. We will have some of our winery professionals on blog alert through the week.

Salute!

Marty Bargetto
President, Owner CHAUCER'S CELLARS



As mead goes, this is good, but I'm just not fond of mead. If I want very sweet, it's either a botrytis semillion (preferably Sauternes) or riesling (preferably from the Rheingau) or 6+ putts Tokaji, or if a bit less sweet, port, sherry, or madiera ...I guess I'm just a vinifera kind of guy.

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jkwest wrote:To everyone on the fence about this product...

These might be good to pickup just for their fun recipe's. (i.e. marinades, sauces, drinks, etc.)

go here for a sample:
Mead Recipes


Also for anyone on the fence... I got the last Chaucer offering and it was awesome; everyone who tried them liked them. I also happen to be a big fan of mead (Ren Faire denizen...) so this was perfect for me. ^_______^

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BARGETTO wrote:Folks, maybe I can add a few cents to this discussion of Mead and what the mead product is in relation to other table wines.

Indeed, FatJ is correct that Mead is produced from honey, water, and yeast. In fact historians now think the first Mead came from Mesopotamia (modern day Iraq) from evaluating the residual material on 5000 year old clay pots. Just think of the possibilty for peace if Mead had become the national drink like Ethiopia. But that is another story.

Another part of the Mead story is the production method. Some meads are produced by blending white grape wine with honey and calling it mead. Some producers also add flavorings and herbs to the formula.

CHAUCER'S MEAD is produced by just fermenting honey that has had water added to it to lower the fermentalble sugar levels. For those that have ever tried to ferment honey, you will appreciate the difficulties that ensue trying to ferment honey with all its natural yeast inhibitors. Anyway, the difficulty is worth for us.

Our Mead is also a blend of different types of honey. Each honey gives the wine a distinctive flavor profile. Alfalfa gives the blend more color. Sage adds spice to the nose and flavor. Orange blossom provides a unique citrus floral note to the flavor.

We have decided to produce the wine in a somewhat sweet style to help smooth out the natural bitter components in honey which help to keep the wine fresh. We think you will find CHAUCER'S MEAD to stay fresh for up to one year. With only 10.5% alcohol, our Mead has relatively low alcohol compared with other meads and table wines from grapes.

We hope you enjoy CHAUCER'S MEAD at one of your local Ren Faires or purchasing a bottle through Wine.Woot. If you have any more questions or suggestions about CHAUCER'S MEAD, please just post them to the blog. We will have some of our winery professionals on blog alert through the week.

Salute!

Marty Bargetto
President, Owner CHAUCER'S CELLARS



YAY! I'm going to the RenFest this weekend! I'll get to try the mead before I get it in the mail! *cheers*

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dakillawoot wrote:Today's my birthday!!!! My 30th, in fact. And all I wanted was my name in lights....


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My friends call me.....the first sucker!!!!!!!!!!!!
(sigh, Im so happy!!!)



Happy Birthday!

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slightlyslapdash wrote:YAY! I'm going to the RenFest this weekend! I'll get to try the mead before I get it in the mail! *cheers*



Which RenFest will you be attending?

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jkwest wrote:Do these bottles come with the spice bags shown on the website?



Yes. You get two bags of mulling spices with each bottle of Mead. You can serve the Mead chilled without the spices or mulled with the spices. I recommend trying it both ways.

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Jerry559 wrote:So, if you had to pick a hard cider, would it be Strongbow or Blackthorn?...Or something completely different?



Mmmm, Stongbow is the best one. Toss in about a 1/2 shot of black currant juice. Drank that by the gallons during my 5 trips to England. Stongbow-black is what they call it. Found a pub in Rhodes, Greece and had one there too.

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pengu1n wrote:Mmmm, Stongbow is the best one. Toss in about a 1/2 shot of black currant juice. Drank that by the gallons during my 5 trips to England. Stongbow-black is what they call it. Found a pub in Rhodes, Greece and had one there too.



Do you think you could you use Ribena for the black currant "juice"? I remember that being a pretty good concentrate...better than orange Quash squash.

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This mead is awful!!!! Having been raised in Ireland, we're pretty versed on Mead but this stuff is only good when poured down the kitchen sink.

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I have only had "homebrew" mead before, never tried mead otherwise. I have to say that mead was not something i enjoyed.

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sbrady22 wrote:I want badly, but cannot get. FREAKIN' STUPID STATE OF ALABAMA ALCOHOL LAWS. Our state's alcohol board is run by out-of-date, good-ol'-boy-system, low IQ morons.



At least you can buy it in your local town/city. I live in the largest city in the USA that does not allow alcohol sales! This town is run by a bunch of low life religious zealots who beleive if you allow alcohol to be sold, Satan himself will show up and doom us all.

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BARGETTO wrote:Yes. You get two bags of mulling spices with each bottle of Mead. You can serve the Mead chilled without the spices or mulled with the spices. I recommend trying it both ways.



I am very interested in trying this mulled. Do the spices come with recipes/instructions?

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Cesare wrote:How does it compare to a barleywine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barleywine
Obviously this doesn't have the grains or hops so those flavors won't be there.



Barleywines, wheat wines, and sake (rice wine) are completely different than honey wine (mead) and fruit wines. The former are beers (although the case for sake as a beer is debatable), whereas the latter are true wines. The main difference being that honey, grapes, and other fruit are natural sources of fermentable sugar, whereas grains need some sort of enzymatic activity to convert their starches to sugars.

English-style barleywines are somewhat sweet, as they tend to focus more on the flavors that are derived from the malted barley, whereas American-style barleywines tend to overload on the hops. If you were to age an American barleywine for a few years, the hop flavors and bitterness would begin to fade, and it would start to resemble an English barleywine.

As far as the manufacturing process goes, mead and barleywine have some similarities, mostly due to their high starting gravities (which is a measure of the amount of sugar available to the yeast before fermentation). High-gravity worts and musts need to be oxygenated thoroughly to allow for adequate reproduction by the yeast, thus allowing for proper attenuation (dryness). In mead, yeast nutrients are also added, but they aren't usually necessary for beer because the grains provide plenty of nutrients.

Most beers are allowed to ferment as fully as possible; any residual sweetness is usually the result of unfermentable sugar (from higher mash temperatures) as opposed to an interrupted fermentation. With mead and wines, sweetness is usually obtained by interrupting the fermentation, either with sulfites to kill the yeast, or with distilled alcohol (as in fortified wines).

Regarding the finished product, malted grains have a very distinct flavor; think Whoppers brand candies. Hops will also add another dimension of taste/flavor that won't show up in any other beverage. Mead will have residual flavors from the different types of honey used (similar to how different grape varieties yield different flavors in wine).

There is also braggot, which is a blend of mead and beer, melomel, which is a blend of mead and fruit wine, and metheglin, which is spiced mead. These blends can happen before or after fermentation; the effects on the final product are negligible. I am unsure, however, if mead mulled with spices is considered metheglin.

Hope this post clarified rather than confused the matter....

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I love Bargetto's Pinot Grigio. I noticed that it had undercurrent of spicy sweetness. I later learned that it is blended with a small amount of Gewurtztraminer. I was not crazy about the Chaucer's fruit wines (Ollalieberry and Pomegranate), but I did not think they were syrupy sweet. I thought they both had sufficient acidity to balance the sweetness, but they were still sweet.

When it comes to dessert wine, I prefer port or madeira, but the mulled mead could be very nice on the deck during early speing in Ohio. I think I'll wait and do some price investigation. The fruit wines were a great deal when offered. I live in a small town - not much variety for wine purchasing.

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I'm a member of Chaucer's wine club and these are fantastic bottles. if you've never had mead or flavored mead, get in on this deal ASAP. Their raspberry mead is something truly spectacular.

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BARGETTO wrote:To: Loweel and other interested Mead fans

CHAUCER'S MEAD is produced with a 10.5% alcohol level. Hence, it is meant to be consumed within one year of purchase. If the alcohol level was higher, we would expect it to keep it fresh honey flavors for longer.

Yes, it is from a different batch from the last offering. We hope you will enjoy this bottling. One thing that Mead lovers will note is that as the wine ages the fresh honey flavor becomes more of a bready, yeasty profile. Some may enjoy that flavor sensation, some may not.

Salute!

Marty Bargetto
President, Owner Cellars
Cellars



How long is your mead aged before you release it?

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The Chaucer MEad I bought and used within a month of buying - it was very yeasty - I did not like the yeastiness. Is there some way to tell how long the bottle has been at the store?

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Okay. Having given the raspberry a try, I can say I don't like it. I don't like any fruit wine though (other than grape, of course), so I'm probably a bad judge of this. I liked the mead after a while because I enjoyed teasing out the honey flavors from the rest of the wine. Unfortunately with the raspberry, the honey is competing with the raspberry, and it doesn't work very well for me. It's pleasant, in a cocktail type of way. I wish I were on a beach somewhere with a cold bottle. I'm glad I purchased it, but only for the experience, not for the merits of the wines.
So bottom line: these are enjoyable drinks for a change of pace, but they are not fine wines.

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Wicked, I bit. The crazy thing is I am currently making 5 gallons of mead. It has been fermenting for 25 days or so. Figured I should get some mead and try it before I drink my mead (though I need to let mine age for some time) just so I know what mead tastes like. Been making beer for the last year or so and saw a great deal on local honey. I hope this mead tastes good and I hope my simple mead tastes somewhat like it *giggles* (I have a feeling mine might be very alcoholic). First WOOT purchase for me. GO WINE.WOOT!!!!

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inflatablechair wrote:Barleywines, wheat wines, and sake (rice wine) are completely different than honey wine (mead) and fruit wines. The former are beers (although the case for sake as a beer is debatable), whereas the latter are true wines. The main difference being that honey, grapes, and other fruit are natural sources of fermentable sugar, whereas grains need some sort of enzymatic activity to convert their starches to sugars.
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Hope this post clarified rather than confused the matter....




Can it do both? I'm on the fence about calling mead "honey wine" much the same way I don't like the term Barleywine or rice wine. To me, they're individual products based on their source material.

Wine is a fruit-based fermented product.
Barleywine is a beer. A strong beer, but the ingredients are 100% beer.
Sake is a rice-based fermented product similar.
Mead is none of the above. The fermentation base is purely honey (vs. grain or fruit).

I know beer.woot ain't gonna happen, but I'm curious what it is about the arcane laws we're operating under that allow for the sale & shipment of Mead as "wine" and Sake as "wine" that would prohibit the shipment of Barleywine or high-gravity ales (e.g. Unibroue beers like La Fin Du Monde, Maudite, and Trois Pistoles). ...other than the economics involved with shipping a product that weighs as much as mead and sells for 1/2 the price.

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simoco wrote:Wicked, I bit. The crazy thing is I am currently making 5 gallons of mead. It has been fermenting for 25 days or so. Figured I should get some mead and try it before I drink my mead (though I need to let mine age for some time) just so I know what mead tastes like.



Unless your recipe specifically includes a post-fermentation step for neutralizing the yeast and back-sweeting, your homebrew mead is likely to be more like a dry champagne and bear little similarity to the Chaucer meads. I've been brewing myself for just over a year and "assistant brewer" to my pappy for over a decade (who's got a few meads under his belt) and there are other brewers around here, too.

You might be able to eek out some 'secrets' from the Bargetto folks about their process for getting from fermentation to store-ready sweet-mead.



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JOATMON wrote:It also lets the winemaker build up his mailing list so he can spam you with junk mail: http://www.woot.com/Forums/ViewPost.aspx?PostID=1698593



Posting here does not give any winemaker your "snail" mail address for a mailing list.

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I like mead, I will give it a shot

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iByron wrote:Posting here does not give any winemaker your "snail" mail address for a mailing list.



Link referenced was from a woot-off purchase where a user got an unsolicted mailing from Bargetto. Technically it's not "junk mail" any more than those annoying calls from your credit card or mortgage company trying to upsell you on "banking products you might be interested in." Legally it's not telemarking because you actively formed a relationship with them.

In my case, the mortgage company I initially signed with sold my mortgage to Countrywide who call frequently with 'offers,' so even though I never explicitly signed paperwork with Countrywide and never signed up to get their crap, it was in the fine print of my closing documents (and I knew that the mortgage would likely end up with a different lender than I was signing with), Countrywide is exempt from my Do Not Call registry protection.

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iByron wrote:Posting here does not give any winemaker your "snail" mail address for a mailing list.



Go read the thread before passing summary judgement. Buying the woot does give the winemaker your snail address.

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Out of all the wine I've wooted, I've probably received 4 pieces of snail mail over a 2 year period. I think I can manage that.

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JOATMON wrote:Go read the thread before passing summary judgement. Buying the woot does give the winemaker your snail address.



Posting = no
buying = maybe (I now get mail from 1 offering)

I'd be more belligerent and offended, but I have a cold. Again. So I wave my elderberries in your general direction

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trinsf wrote:We drink a lot of this stuff, but I think we only pay like 8.99 a bottle at Trader Joe's. Hmm! *checking* Yeah. It's 9.99 on BevMo, and we regularly get it on sale for less than the Woot price. I'm surprised to see an offering over the market price at Woot.



Really, it surprises you? Haven't you been paying attention?

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eyeslikesugar wrote:Yumm! Thank you! From a white wine girl, trapped in a red wine world; meade is lovely, and will be thoroughly enjoyed by me! =)

<3



Glad to know I'm not the only one! I keep trying with the reds (as they are offered more often), yet haven't quite developed into them fully yet. I've ordered these; however I'm afraid they'll be too sweet like I found the ice wines to be.

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MannyFesto wrote:Really, it surprises you? Haven't you been paying attention?



Only vaguely. I am not the person responsible for food/wine purchases in our household. When I see something the primary purchaser might like, I point it out to him. As a result, I expect my wine.woot id block is probably the "no sale" color, whatever that is. (*checking* Oooo! I get credit for my other Woots on wine.woot. But I have no sales, I think, because I'm just the household recommender.) Usually when I'm suggesting something to the primary purchaser in the household, I do a little web research to see if I find it at a cheaper price in any of our usual places, and if not, I pass it along ot him and he purchases or not using his account.

So, no, I don't pay much attention, but this is the first time I've noticed something that was obviously higher priced than we've ever paid for it. Of course, living in the bay area, we have the advantage of being close to many of the vintners and distributors. (As an example, it's about an hour drive to get to the Chaucer folks, it appears -- 40 minutes in good traffic.)


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nematic wrote:Posting = no
buying = maybe (I now get mail from 1 offering)

I'd be more belligerent and offended, but I have a cold. Again. So I wave my elderberries in your general direction



I'd snicker here and make and evil face (but only TMR can do that face!). I'm laughing now. Let me just say here, since I'm up, that wine.woot or WD does protect you from all winemakers and winos. That EVIL man!! You can easily remove yourself from anyone's (e-) mailing list. Still wish I had that devil face icon

JOATMON: In summary judgement: You are protected!!