zenophile wrote:You have some strange grapes on your estate, Peter! This should help a few people hit their wine variety century! Btw, people have been asking me, what's in the Duke from the last two years again?
And... Sorry if I miss the Vintner's voicemail!

The Duke usually has more Zin and Cab than anything else. Last year's had some Grenache (didn't ripen fully enough to bottle by itself), Malbec, Cab Franc, Petit Verdot and I'm leaving out something else.

etherealotaku wrote:Still have the 2005's on ice from years back. Missed these last time they were offered. In for 2!!!

I don't think you missed anything. This is the first, and only, time for this w00t offering.

Sb - Thanks for coming back. In for two.

And had I better start drinking the 2003 Handel-Denier and 2003 Mohrhardt Ridge?

rlmanzo wrote:Love Peter's wines so I'm probably in for at least two anyway, but can someone speak to the style of these cabs?

I love Peter's victory Reserve(also 2006, but a mostly cab blend) because of a gorgeous nose and wonderful mouthfeel.

How would you compare/contrast these wines to the Victory Reserve??

The Victory is the apex of our winemaking effort. The largest component of the Victory is the Handal-Denier Cabernet sauvignon, so that is probably the closest any of these three come. Blending with bits of other wines for the Victory allows us to fine tune texture and body while adding more aromatic complexity. The Karren is more powerful and concentrated than the Victory, but also simpler. The Mohrhardt Ridge (also a component of the Victory) is not as big or concentrated, but does have intriguing aromatic complexity.

This cab is a no brainer. In41

North316 wrote:I'm definitely going to be in on this, not sure yet about 1 or 2, but I will not miss the opportunity to extract as much knowledge for Peter as I can.

Peter, from what I can see on the write-ups, the Karren seems to be more tannic and earthy, the Handal-Denier seems to be a little brighter and bolder and the Mohrhardt Ridge seems to be more complex with a wider array of flavors and maybe even a bit lighter? I'm just wondering what else you might be able to add/correct from this observation comparing the 3 different vineyards. I'm guessing these are all a direct reflection of the terrior, and you let that speak for itself.

The write-up on the Handal-Denier notes a bit of sweetness, is this from any RS or just from the bold fruit flavors?

Also in keeping with the comparison, what about the Mohrhardt Ridge leads you to using both French and American Oak, as opposed the others which you just use French? Also, though I know it is very commonly done, what does the Cab Franc add to this wine?

Also just an observation. The Mohrhardt Ridge production is 4 times that of the other two, is this due to general yields, availability of sources, etc?

Thanks!

Again with the multiple questions. In order:
You have distilled the differences quite well.
No residual sugar in any; just "sweetness" from alcohol, fruit flavor (tricks the brain into perceiving sweetness) and oak.
The Mohrhardt Ridge, with it's very long final ripening phase (due to cool Sonoma Coast weather) typically has very soft tannins. We need to extract all that tannin and often augment it as well. In 2006 we left the wine on the skins for 22 days, used some American oak for added tannic struture, used all the press wine and blended in some Cabernet Franc. All of these practices added tannin and body; without them the wine was lighter, thinner and softer.
As far as yields, Karren is a tiny vineyard, and more than half the Handal-Denier Cabernet went into the Victory blend.

polarbear22 wrote:Sb - Thanks for coming back. In for two.

And had I better start drinking the 2003 Handel-Denier and 2003 Mohrhardt Ridge?

Hi PB/M,

Both are drinking so well right now that there is little to gain by waiting any longer. My guess is that the HD will hold longer than the MR.

SonomaBouliste wrote:Hi PB/M,

Both are drinking so well right now that there is little to gain by waiting any longer. My guess is that the HD will hold longer than the MR.

Thanks. I think I'll plan a special meal this weekend to open one. Or two.

In for 1 last night in a sleepy condition; e-mailed Woot Service this morning to add another. Hope they can!

I'm pretty sure my husband will disown me if I buy any more wine without lowering our current overstock first. Never tried a Wellington wine, but hear lots of good things about them. Then again, I hear lots of good things about other wines that I just don't like so much... Maybe I'll have to settle for a visit to the winery when we make our long delayed tour of california wine country!

mawy wrote:I'm pretty sure my husband will disown me if I buy any more wine without lowering our current overstock first. Never tried a Wellington wine, but hear lots of good things about them. Then again, I hear lots of good things about other wines that I just don't like so much... Maybe I'll have to settle for a visit to the winery when we make our long delayed tour of california wine country!

Do not buy. I refuse to be culpable for announcements such as: "I am no longer responsible for the debts of Mawy...".

mawy wrote:I'm pretty sure my husband will disown me if I buy any more wine without lowering our current overstock first. Never tried a Wellington wine, but hear lots of good things about them. Then again, I hear lots of good things about other wines that I just don't like so much... Maybe I'll have to settle for a visit to the winery when we make our long delayed tour of california wine country!

If this is anything like the Victory Reserve, your gonna miss out on a real good wine. got mine earlier today.

2 questions:

1 to winery (SonomaBouliste): I have thoroughly enjoyed several of your woot offerings in the past, and will probably get 1 or 2 of the current offering. I will be in Sonoma/Napa May 8 - 10 and would love to stop by the winery. I have read on here how you guys welcome wine.wooters and give special tours. How would I line this up, and what sort of tour fees are there? (I can't find any tour info on your web site).

2 to wine.woot: as stated above, I will be out of town May 4 - 12, so could not accept deliveries of wine orders during that time. When do you expect to ship this offering?

Thanks for the assistance.

The button... it bounces... you better get your orders in soon.

ricrawling wrote:2 questions:

1 to winery (SonomaBouliste): I have thoroughly enjoyed several of your woot offerings in the past, and will probably get 1 or 2 of the current offering. I will be in Sonoma/Napa May 8 - 10 and would love to stop by the winery. I have read on here how you guys welcome wine.wooters and give special tours. How would I line this up, and what sort of tour fees are there? (I can't find any tour info on your web site).

2 to wine.woot: as stated above, I will be out of town May 4 - 12, so could not accept deliveries of wine orders during that time. When do you expect to ship this offering?

Thanks for the assistance.

We don't have resularly scheduled tours, and would never charge for a tour. Let me know a day ahead of time when you think you'll arrive, and I'll set aside a few minutes.
Peter

I'm in too...this site is addicting...Third woot purchase this month!

Great, I'll talk with the wife and let you know the day before we will be around. In for 2 by the way, hope I can get the shipping date lined up. I don't want it riding around a FedEx truck for a week.

SonomaBouliste wrote:We don't have resularly scheduled tours, and would never charge for a tour. Let me know a day ahead of time when you think you'll arrive, and I'll set aside a few minutes.
Peter

ricrawling wrote:2 questions:

1 to winery (SonomaBouliste): I have thoroughly enjoyed several of your woot offerings in the past, and will probably get 1 or 2 of the current offering. I will be in Sonoma/Napa May 8 - 10 and would love to stop by the winery. I have read on here how you guys welcome wine.wooters and give special tours. How would I line this up, and what sort of tour fees are there? (I can't find any tour info on your web site).

2 to wine.woot: as stated above, I will be out of town May 4 - 12, so could not accept deliveries of wine orders during that time. When do you expect to ship this offering?

Thanks for the assistance.

Peter is typically a pretty fast ship. One of the many reasons I've ordered again. That and it just being so tastey! Trying to get things stocked up before the Kansas heat arrives.

joe43wv wrote:The button... it bounces... you better get your orders in soon.

Really? I thought we had enough to last all day.

mmarstall wrote:Peter is typically a pretty fast ship. One of the many reasons I've ordered again. That and it just being so tastey! Trying to get things stocked up before the Kansas heat arrives.

w00t does the actual shipping for us, but they'll have the wine tomorrow.

If I'm not mistaken, Peter Wellington is a vegetarian. I'm curious what his thoughts are about pairing cabernet with vegetarian cuisine. Whenever I eat a steak (rarely) I usually do so as an excuse to open a nice cab.

my fifth order of wellington wine! always of a high quality, in for three.

I enjoyed previous woots from this winery. All great. In for 1. Budget is stretched or I'd be in for more. Water pipe broke and sucked up money. Yellow button is bouncing.

zenophile wrote:Can I buy a set of the 2005s from you? It'll lighten your issue! And... See you this week!

Nope. I've only got one set of the 2005!

Edit: And now two sets of the 2006

SonomaBouliste wrote:Really? I thought we had enough to last all day.

saw the bouncing button and decided not to take a chance on missing this one.

I am in for 1. giggady giggady.

SonomaBouliste wrote:Really? I thought we had enough to last all day.

I guess your more popular than you realized.

SonomaBouliste wrote:Really? I thought we had enough to last all day.

I'm sure you have something else interesting laying around there that you could sell us for the second half of the day!

SonomaBouliste wrote:Really? I thought we had enough to last all day.

I think it's due to the overwhelming number of regulars on this board that have Wellington = Auto Buy hardwired into our brains. Of course that's a direct result of making awesome wine regardless of varietal.

Excellent offer!
Time to start building up horizontal verticals, or vertical horizontals, or however that would work.

bkarlan wrote:saw the bouncing button and decided not to take a chance on missing this one.

I am in for 1. giggady giggady.

It's not bouncing on my computer (but I always suspected that woot gave me preferential treatment).

Not that it matters, I already did a 3x order.

Wellington = auto buy for me.

bkarlan wrote:saw the bouncing button and decided not to take a chance on missing this one.

I am in for 1. giggady giggady.

Strange, the button isn't bouncing anymore. I'm hoping this means that there's plenty to go around after all. It's always sad to see the SOLD OUT sign; we are a thirsty bunch.

It appears that the w00t trolls didn't know there were 12 bottles in a case, not 10. Problem now corrected, but this probably still won't last all day.

Stopped bouncing after a spurt of panic buying.
More supply mysteriously became available?

This happened last week also. A new marketing technique I guess -- replacing the Lab Rats.

strean wrote:It's not bouncing on my computer (but I always suspected that woot gave me preferential treatment).

Not that it matters, I already did a 3x order.

Wellington = auto buy for me.

Indeed it has stopped bouncing, maybe more has been found

SmilingBoognish wrote:If I'm not mistaken, Peter Wellington is a vegetarian. I'm curious what his thoughts are about pairing cabernet with vegetarian cuisine. Whenever I eat a steak (rarely) I usually do so as an excuse to open a nice cab.

I always consider richness and intensity of flavor for food-wine pairings. Delicate wines with delicate food preparations, hearty wines with hearty foods.

Cab single vineyard horizontals are my weak spot + Wellington + Bouncing Button = I'm in.

Budget forced me to hold off on this...desire forced me to give in. Too good to pass up, in for 1.

Corrado wrote:Interesting. I emailed service to bump from 2 to 3 (a friend decided they wanted a set) and for the first time got a reply, "Sorry, we don't add to completed orders." Old news or new policy?

So, order as a gift to a friend you can trust with a Wellington, if such even exists....