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Cesare


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Kunde Cabernet Sauvignon Three - Pack
$49.99 + $5 shipping
Condition: Red
Products:
1 2007 Kunde Cabernet Sauvignon
1 2005 Cabernet Sauvignon Drummond Vineyard Family Selection Series
1 2005 Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon
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ricrawling


quality posts: 1 Private Messages ricrawling

And once again, no Tennessee on the list. What is it now, about 3 weeks since a delivery has been allowed to TN on wine? Nice.

msruru


quality posts: 15 Private Messages msruru

Cab gives me heart burn. Anyone know why that is?

froggywithfries


quality posts: 4 Private Messages froggywithfries

Hm, interesting. Not lots to go on from CT for these vintages, but 05 and 07 are considered to be very good vintages (moreso 05 for Sonoma).

For both 05s offered previous vintages rated highly so I wouldn't expect any less for these.

I'd call this a great deal if you like Cabs. Hmmm...is woot offering temperature controlled shipping yet? That'll likely be my deciding factor.

msruru


quality posts: 15 Private Messages msruru
froggywithfries wrote:Hm, interesting. Not lots to go on from CT for these vintages, but 05 and 07 are considered to be very good vintages (moreso 05 for Sonoma).

For both 05s offered previous vintages rated highly so I wouldn't expect any less for these.

I'd call this a great deal if you like Cabs. Hmmm...is woot offering temperature controlled shipping yet? That'll likely be my deciding factor.



Shipping is still $5.00 so I would guess they have not switched over yet.

Corrado


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Wow, Kunde back in the hizzle! Might bust the TIWBM for these. I have an '04 Estate Reserve cab in the cellar that might like a younger brother. What I found from my previous wooting of "ordinary" Kunde wines is that they did better with a few years in the cellar. I just had the 2002 Estate Claret earlier this and it was drinking very well.

WD, you're close on this one, but I SPECIFICALLY said you needed to get the Zinfandel Port from Kunde! That stuff is magical.

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Imagine4vr


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Corrado wrote:Wow, Kunde back in the hizzle! Might bust the TIWBM for these. I have an '04 Estate Reserve cab in the cellar that might like a younger brother. What I found from my previous wooting of "ordinary" Kunde wines is that they did better with a few years in the cellar. I just had the 2002 Estate Claret earlier this and it was drinking very well.

WD, you're close on this one, but I SPECIFICALLY said you needed to get the Zinfandel Port from Kunde! That stuff is magical.



How about some Kunde Barbera?! One of my favorite woot wines ever.

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PhilSandifer


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I've honestly, with multiple tries, yet to enjoy Cab Sav - it's just too tannic and peppery for me, with no real flavor to compensate for the feeling that I have just set my mouth on fire. Tried pairing it with a steak, and the steak just brought out the worst in the wine for me - all burn, and the little bit of fruit there was got swallowed.

Only time I've ever had any luck was pairing it with super, super dark chocolate.

What am I missing? Is there some magic key that would just make me understand the glory of the supposedly great varietal?

EricKeating


quality posts: 15 Private Messages EricKeating

The next wine woot happens to be my neighbor! I could throw a rock and hit the tasting room.

I have recently had the 2007 Cabernet, and it is a very nice wine.

Asmithee


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ricrawling wrote:And once again, no Tennessee on the list. What is it now, about 3 weeks since a delivery has been allowed to TN on wine? Nice.



Blame that on Tennesee and its oddball manufacture-sour-mash-for-the-masses-but-it's-illegal-to-drink-it style lawmaking style.

cabs


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It's Kunde calling to me...

I have a Woot! birthday coupon, and I can't think of a better way to celebrate than getting a pack of cab...

cabs


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Also, Woot: non-password authentication is the best. Thank goodness that's been added.

spdrcr05


quality posts: 30 Private Messages spdrcr05

WD ... Seriously?!?! Have you NOT read about my storage issues? This is like a double whammy as I now have to go buy some more rack space to put my 9 bottles of yummy Cab. Thanks man, Thanks a LOT! ;)

Sigh ... in for 3

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mxracer98


quality posts: 14 Private Messages mxracer98

Can we get some info on these vintages? Tasting notes, or free samples perhaps?

alukan


quality posts: 4 Private Messages alukan
spdrcr05 wrote:WD ... Seriously?!?! Have you NOT read about my storage issues? This is like a double whammy as I now have to go buy some more rack space to put my 9 bottles of yummy Cab. Thanks man, Thanks a LOT! ;)

Sigh ... in for 3



Heh ... my problem exactly. Just had to wedge my Ty Catons into my stuffed coolers. So the question is, how much wine can I drink between now and when these will show up

chilidogfood


quality posts: 0 Private Messages chilidogfood

Hmm, I do enjoy a good cab... arg

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jthroop


quality posts: 0 Private Messages jthroop

Oh, bother! ... Georgia cut out of another sipping expedition.

etherealotaku


quality posts: 3 Private Messages etherealotaku

Trying to figure out pricing information from the winery website to get a price comparison. Vintages from this woot are nowhere to be found, but the 2006 Estate Cab is $18.00, and the 2004 Reserve is $40.00. No idea about the Drummond Vineyard, but this woot is shaping up to be a good deal, as per usual.

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rpm


quality posts: 150 Private Messages rpm

The Kundes have been well thought of as growers for a long time. These are pretty much serious Cabs from good years which probably will want some aging. I don't have experience with any of these three wines: the profiles are along the edges of my preferences, and could be very good. Definitely not pizza quaffers.

Sonoma tends to be overshadowed by Napa for Cabernet Sauvignon, but there is fine Cab grown in Sonoma. These are worth trying.

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Remember what you taste!

richardhod


quality posts: 260 Private Messages richardhod
Corrado wrote:Wow, Kunde back in the hizzle! Might bust the TIWBM for these. I have an '04 Estate Reserve cab in the cellar that might like a younger brother. What I found from my previous wooting of "ordinary" Kunde wines is that they did better with a few years in the cellar. I just had the 2002 Estate Claret earlier this and it was drinking very well.

WD, you're close on this one, but I SPECIFICALLY said you needed to get the Zinfandel Port from Kunde! That stuff is magical.




EDIT: slipped by the rpm post. I was going to ask about their winemaking philosophy. If rpm thinks Kunde's reputation is good it it's likely structured and ageworthy as he says, no ripe bomb. Damn. I can't have a full buy on two wines this week, surely?

RPM what do yo think of Monday's vintners by comparison?

ReEdit: Damn, they're neighbours. And I know monday's people know their wine. Damn Damn Damn! I looked at my cc statement yesterday. I'm going to have to play some good poker in Macao this weekend...

rpm


quality posts: 150 Private Messages rpm
PhilSandifer wrote:I've honestly, with multiple tries, yet to enjoy Cab Sav - it's just too tannic and peppery for me, with no real flavor to compensate for the feeling that I have just set my mouth on fire. Tried pairing it with a steak, and the steak just brought out the worst in the wine for me - all burn, and the little bit of fruit there was got swallowed.

Only time I've ever had any luck was pairing it with super, super dark chocolate.

What am I missing? Is there some magic key that would just make me understand the glory of the supposedly great varietal?



Well, not everyone likes the flavor of every grape. My suspicion is that you've only had Cabernet Sauvignon that is either mass-market or, if of good quality, young. Good young Cab works well with 70%+ cocoa chocolate, or with fresh raspberries (poured over them, as well as in the glass).

Most red grape varieties can (and usually should) be enjoyed relatively young, even if they're capable of aging to sublime heights: that's certainly true of Pinot Noir and Zinfandel, and (after a fashion) for Syrah and Sangiovese.

Cabernet Sauvignon is different. Well and traditionally made, in France good Cab was undrinkable before it was 10. In California, similar quality Cab would often have a brief period (a year or two after release, which used to be around 3 years after the vintage date), before falling asleep until it reached 8-10. It was only after that you would get the wonderful combination of fruit aromas and bottle bouquet, and the flavors, we associate with great Cabernet.

Cab is usually the wine we cellar for extended periods because of the life cycle. In England, among the aristocracy, it was said that in your youth, you would drink primarily the wines your grandfather laid down, in maturity, you'd mostly drink the wines your father laid down, and only if you survived into your 60s would you be primarily drinking wines you had purchased yourself.

Now, young quality Cabs are in some ways worse - harvested at higher sugars, they tend to overripeness and high alcohol, sometimes exaggerated flavor profiles, along with the tannin. I've been drinking Cab for more than 50 years, and I don't much like many of the newer ones. I look for lower alcohol levels, lower pH, more acidity, lower sugar levels at harvest, and winemaking by people who seem to have the knack of getting the flavors they want out of those grapes.

If you can find mature Cab (over 10 years old) from quality producers, spring for a bottle or two and try that. You'll find a completely different experience, and one you may well come to appreciate.

Wine-tasting in 8 words:
Pull lots of corks!
Remember what you taste!

rpm


quality posts: 150 Private Messages rpm
richardhod wrote:EDIT: slipped by the rpm post. I was going to ask about their winemaking philosophy. If rpm thinks Kunde's reputation is good it it's likely structured and ageworthy as he says, no ripe bomb. Damn. I can't have a full buy on two wines this week, surely?

RPM what do yo think of Monday's vintners by comparison?



No experience.

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Pull lots of corks!
Remember what you taste!

richardhod


quality posts: 260 Private Messages richardhod

I'd love to know why the Cab is not blended with Malbec as it was in 04 (as a Yelp poster mentioned) but is 100% (reserve) or with a bunch of other varietals. 2%, 1%!!!

[edited - i didn't like my original post after all]

meyer22


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Id love to hear from the Winemaker on his/her thoughts on the drinking window for each of these cabs.

richardhod


quality posts: 260 Private Messages richardhod

I'm just putting this out there, but I do wonder whether maybe Kunde makes too many varieties of wine? Isn't there something to be said for specialisation? Or do they really have the energy, passion, and specific varietal knowhow for each cepage to put their all into all of these wines?

So, Useful Kunde info is contained in these previous different varietal woots:

Kunde Estate Trio, Feb 12 2007
Recent Kunde Viognier wooting
Kunde had a big influence on Woot Cellars' Polyphemus back in Oct 07
and
Peter Wellington hired a Kunde winemaker to work with him.

Sounds like an old favourite of WDs from some of the history...



canonizer


quality posts: 22 Private Messages canonizer

I can't decide whether I'm in for 1 or 2. Almost always find very good value in Kunde's products.

signed.

sukeiasa


quality posts: 6 Private Messages sukeiasa
msruru wrote:Cab gives me heart burn. Anyone know why that is?




cabs give me wallet burn....

wine woot gatherings: manchego dinner, '11 cyber pub bottling, '12 cyber pub bottling, DMV #25, #26, #28 NY #19, NY #20; socal #22

StarM


quality posts: 15 Private Messages StarM

I've had the 2004 Cab Reserve and Drummond & have a bottle of the Drummond in hold, and I was looking at my tasting notes from our April visit out there. Didn't taste any of these wines.

The 2004 Drummond and Cab Reserve were both well-above average Cabs. I think I gave the Drummond an 89 on my CT review. No notes on there, though (I was having some computer issues & just didn't go back to add). My handwritten scribbles include "spicy aroma on the nose" and "berry - spice on the palate" and "good balance". No notes on hotness or overly oakiness, which I usually mention if it's out of line for my palate. I don't like Cabs that are all about the alcohol, so I tend to let them age a bit, but I can't wait too long so I do end up decanting when I can't stand to wait . . .. I do remember it was a gorgeous color and full bodied (as one would expect) in a Cab, and am glad we have another bottle.

Great prices -- the club price on the 04s was about $40 a bottle on the Reserve & Drummond and mid $20's for the Cab. With $5 shipping, I can't beat it as a club member.

"We hear of the conversion of water into wine at the marriage in Cana as of a miracle. But this conversion is, through the goodness of God, made every day before our eyes. Behold the rain which descends from heaven upon our vineyards, and which incorporates itself with the grapes, to be changed into wine; a constant proof that God loves us, and loves to see us happy." Benjamin Franklin

PhilSandifer


quality posts: 13 Private Messages PhilSandifer
rpm wrote:
Cabernet Sauvignon is different. Well and traditionally made, in France good Cab was undrinkable before it was 10. In California, similar quality Cab would often have a brief period (a year or two after release, which used to be around 3 years after the vintage date), before falling asleep until it reached 8-10. It was only after that you would get the wonderful combination of fruit aromas and bottle bouquet, and the flavors, we associate with great Cabernet.



Well there's my problem. Just out of grad school and still working on finding a career and settling somewhere, wines I need to store for a decade just aren't something i can make work at this point in my life. So I suppose Cab is something I shall have to enjoy, well, in twenty years - ten to be able to cellar a bottle, and then ten more to cellar it.

richardhod


quality posts: 260 Private Messages richardhod
StarM wrote:I've had the 2004 Cab Reserve and Drummond & have a bottle of the Drummond in hold, and I was looking at my tasting notes from our April visit out there. Didn't taste any of these wines.

The 2004 Drummond and Cab Reserve were both well-above average Cabs. I think I gave the Drummond an 89 on my CT review. No notes on there, though (I was having some computer issues & just didn't go back to add). My handwritten scribbles include "spicy aroma on the nose" and "berry - spice on the palate" and "good balance". No notes on hotness or overly oakiness, which I usually mention if it's out of line for my palate. I don't like Cabs that are all about the alcohol, so I tend to let them age a bit, but I can't wait too long so I do end up decanting when I can't stand to wait . . .. I do remember it was a gorgeous color and full bodied (as one would expect) in a Cab, and am glad we have another bottle.

Great prices -- the club price on the 04s was about $40 a bottle on the Reserve & Drummond and mid $20's for the Cab. With $5 shipping, I can't beat it as a club member.



This reviewer, Linda Murphy thinks thee wines improved in consistency after 06 and they got a new winemaker at Kunde.

K&L are selling the Sonoma 06 Cab for $15.99 +postage. Wonder how close this is to the 07 on offer now. They mention Wine Spectator: "Rustic in a pleasant way, with mineral, dried currant, herb, sage and dusty berry fruit. Tight, full-bodied, firm and compact. Best from 2010 through 2015."

gcdyersb


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PhilSandifer wrote:I've honestly, with multiple tries, yet to enjoy Cab Sav - it's just too tannic and peppery for me, with no real flavor to compensate for the feeling that I have just set my mouth on fire. Tried pairing it with a steak, and the steak just brought out the worst in the wine for me - all burn, and the little bit of fruit there was got swallowed.

Only time I've ever had any luck was pairing it with super, super dark chocolate.

What am I missing? Is there some magic key that would just make me understand the glory of the supposedly great varietal?



These just sound like bad wines. Most of the time people try to make a bruising, extracted monster of a wine from Cab. While Cab is not really delicate like Pinot, it can be made in a more graceful style. But usually this also means less upfront power and a need for some age.

Your best bet, unless you have specific info on a producer's style, would be to try other varieties that don't lend themselves to this style. Cab is overpriced generally because it sells on its name, so you will save money as well. That's not to disparage Cab as it is a great age worthy variety for a reason, but you will usually do much better with something else as a go to drinker.

Cabernet Franc: it's not just for blending! It's also for blogging.

gcdyersb


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PhilSandifer wrote:Well there's my problem. Just out of grad school and still working on finding a career and settling somewhere, wines I need to store for a decade just aren't something i can make work at this point in my life. So I suppose Cab is something I shall have to enjoy, well, in twenty years - ten to be able to cellar a bottle, and then ten more to cellar it.



Everything RPM says is worth following. Seriously. But at the same time keep in mind decade plus aged Cab is only one possibility in a world of possibilities. There is no substitute for a given style. But there are wines that can drink well young without being unstructured, overripe, dull, etc. Not the same thing as aged wine at all, yet pleasurable for what they are. These are worth seeking out, and the list is almost endless though you must work a bit to find them.

Cabernet Franc: it's not just for blending! It's also for blogging.

timmyjwoot


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In case the wine maker shows up today: why the Syrah in the Estate cab? Was there a need for some extra color there? It's interesting that a well regarded vintage like 2007 would need a kick.

Since Kunde is represented as a French styled house it surprised me to see one of the ole rules get twisted here.

PhilSandifer


quality posts: 13 Private Messages PhilSandifer
gcdyersb wrote:These just sound like bad wines. Most of the time people try to make a bruising, extracted monster of a wine from Cab. While Cab is not really delicate like Pinot, it can be made in a more graceful style. But usually this also means less upfront power and a need for some age.



It's entirely possible some of them were lousy, though one was the Hook & Ladder Cab from here, and I adored the Merlot and the Zinfandel (!) out of that set.

And speaking of Zinfandel, yeah - that and Syrah are largely my go-to reds, seeming to do a very nice job of being drinkable out of the box and, indeed, out of the bottle.

SmilingBoognish


quality posts: 44 Private Messages SmilingBoognish
rpm wrote:If you can find mature Cab (over 10 years old) from quality producers, spring for a bottle or two and try that. You'll find a completely different experience, and one you may well come to appreciate.




I would absolutely positively recommend NOT doing this to anyone with dreams of retiring someday. You can spend a lot of your savings this way. ;)



richardhod


quality posts: 260 Private Messages richardhod
PhilSandifer wrote:It's entirely possible some of them were lousy, though one was the Hook & Ladder Cab from here, and I adored the Merlot and the Zinfandel (!) out of that set.

And speaking of Zinfandel, yeah - that and Syrah are largely my go-to reds, seeming to do a very nice job of being drinkable out of the box and, indeed, out of the bottle.



gcdyersb talks a lot of sense (gc, an we see a list of your woots from the past year, say? Just a named list would be very instructive as to what wines are of that ilk of which you speak ;)

I've learned a heap from his and rpm's conversations and still going. He said what I'd attempted to say earlier in a (now deleted) post, but much more elegantly and from a more knowledgeable position. I'd second all of his sentiments.

And suggest also looking at good Barberas, Sangiovese and possibly merlots for younger, accessible drinking. (some from woots I have enjoyed). People assume there's a complexity trade-off in this calculation, but it's not necessarily true with good selection. For example Harvey's Mountain Selection Barbera (retail $15, not on woot) i found to be a fine drinker at 4 years old, with fruit and depth. not just a pizza wine, as you might guess with the italian lighter varietals.

I don't know it all by any means.. indeed much of what I've learned has been from listening to gc, rpm and PS, and tasting the results. I suspect you're at a similar level of experience as me, but coming from another angle. I'm not yet experienced enough at new world wines so others may tell you my standards are too low, or I'm missing various elements in my analysis. They may well be right!

I'm still getting to grips with Pinot Noir too. They say you need to spend to get good drinking experience out of Pinot as it's hard to grow. e.g. I found Rasmussen's 1001 to be variable in quality so far. One pretty decent bottle, one pretty awful, with that kind of dull empty sour cherry taste of a winebar Pinot. Sad, as his headline wines are meant to be the shchnizzle!

(did i spell that right?)

k1avg


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richardhod wrote:I've learned a heap from his and rpm's conversations and still going. He said what I'd attempted to say earlier in a (now deleted) post, but much more elegantly and from a more knowledgeable position. I'd second all of his sentiments.



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Kunde4thGen


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Hi Woot Community - Kunde Family here. I do hope you enjoy our offering this week. The Sonoma Valley is a great place to grow excellent Cabernet. All of our cab is sourced from our own vineyards here in the Sonoma Valley. Our winemaker, Tim Bell, lets the fruit express itself without a lot of fancy winemaking techniques - not trying to make our wines taste like they come from somewhere else. All of the fruit is harvested from our hillside and mountainside vineyards - elevations of approx. 900 to 1,400 feet on the Mayacamas Mountain range.
2007 Estate Cab - Raspberry, rosemary aromas with a lovely cherry and cocoa finish. Great to pair with steaks and rich tomato based pastas.
2005 Cabernet Sauvignon - Drummond Vineyard. Very small production (335 cases) and is only available in our TR and on our web site. Bigger extractions with this one - black cherries and nice, rich tannins.
2005 Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon - Small production on this one as well. Produced from our highest mountain top vineyards on windswept, rocky red soils. Very intense flavors of dark chocolate, cherries, dried herbs, and plums. Excellent cellar potential.

PhilSandifer


quality posts: 13 Private Messages PhilSandifer
richardhod wrote:
And suggest also looking at good Barberas, Sangiovese and possibly merlots for younger, accessible drinking. (some from woots I have enjoyed). People assume there's a complexity trade-off in this calculation, but it's not necessarily true with good selection. For example Harvey's Mountain Selection Barbera (retail $15, not on woot) i found to be a fine drinker at 4 years old, with fruit and depth. not just a pizza wine, as you might guess with the italian lighter varietals.



I actually had the Scott Harvey Barbera a few weeks ago - with pizza, but hey. It was fantastic. I suspect a largeish Scott Harvey order in my near future, with two bottles of that and maybe the Reserve as well.