denise4080


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A bottle of 2004 Zinfandel just got delivered. I leave for work in about 1 1/2 hours, I wont taste until I get home tonight.
If it wasn't sold out already I would have did a tiny taste before work.

Thanks for the chance to rat.

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That's impressive. 1900 Woots sold out by mid-Tuesday. The Swedish Hill offer (4 bottles), two Roessler offers (3 and 2 bottles) and the Yorkville Cellars offer (3 bottles) combined to sell 1942 Woots and I don't think any of these sold out.

As many Woots in two days as in two solid weeks. There also seems to be an inverse ratio of sales to meaningful discussion. No good discussion = sells like hotcakes. Good discussion = small sales numbers.

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michaelstencel wrote:Agree 100%. If you're not going to drink it and it's red add it to the spaghetti sauce. Whether it's white or red use to deglaze a pan and cook down for a sauce. Ever tried a pinot gris/grigio pasta? Simple and tasty! Rinse out an empty mustard bottle with a white wine & oil, spices for a salad dressing. The list can go on, the idea is "Think", or as the former IL gov might say "you've got gold in your hands, don't waste it."


Agreed as well. If there's a wine we don't like after a couple of days, it always gets used for cooking. I love to cook with wine though so it's practically sacrilege around here to pour out a bottle. Unless it's somehow spoiled, it'll get used probably sooner than later!

This is my first Wine Woot so I'm really looking forward to trying this out!

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chriscameron wrote:The winery was purchased in February last year from a 'forced' sale and the handover was messy so the records of production are scarce. I can however, comment on the vineyards impact on alcohol and pH.

These are established vineyards in the Templeton Gap which provides coastal cooling breezes which preserve the natural acidity. Merlot from this vineyard has always had quite high acidity and correspondingly lower pH than one would expect from Paso Robles (information obtained from vineyard management). The Zinfandel as well holds it acidity well and the use of these in most of the blends assists in controlling the pH.

As well established wines these blocks also reach fruit ripeness at lower sugar levels than the much younger (and often stressed) neighbouring vineyards.

I have seen the 2008 version of the Merlot in oak and I believe we can make an extraordinary wine from it in 2009....watch this space!



Chris, will the winery be renamed? I really don't think the JanKris label has much if any value, and it certainly is no longer descriptive of the winery ownership.

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sold out??

Guess we'll have to wait until Thursday now.

that was fun while it lasted!

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Just a heads up. They are starting to arrive. Mine got here today, Tuesday.

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gcdyersb wrote:That's impressive. 1900 Woots sold out by mid-Tuesday. The Swedish Hill offer (4 bottles), two Roessler offers (3 and 2 bottles) and the Yorkville Cellars offer (3 bottles) combined to sell 1942 Woots and I don't think any of these sold out.

As many Woots in two days as in two solid weeks. There also seems to be an inverse ratio of sales to meaningful discussion. No good discussion = sells like hotcakes. Good discussion = small sales numbers.



I think the sales speed has far more to do with price than discussion. Almost all of the $10/bottle and below wines have sold out fairly quickly on WW.

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bfrymire wrote:Just a heads up. They are starting to arrive. Mine got here today, Tuesday.



OK, I give up...

What is starting to arrive? This deal only started yesterday...

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andyduncan wrote:I think the sales speed has far more to do with price than discussion. Almost all of the $10/bottle and below wines have sold out fairly quickly on WW.



agreed

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I found the original wine list on the Wayback Machine. Still has prices and what not.


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rugrats2001 wrote:OK, I give up...

What is starting to arrive? This deal only started yesterday...



labrats

NYC!

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gijose wrote:labrats



Cool! I can't wait to hear that these have developed into actual good wine.

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merryberry wrote:This is the second "pre-notice" of lab-rattery for this offer. Are people getting emails or PMs or phonecalls now tipping them off? That hasn't been the case before.



WD has been trying different methods, since last year we had quite a few MIA labrats. One suggestion was to email the labrat to let them know to look for the package.

Sometimes it is obvious (like PolarBear and the EHP or Loweeel and any PS) and WD will post a note about it.

So I believe WD has been using emails lately to let labrats know they have mail!!!


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andyduncan wrote:I think the sales speed has far more to do with price than discussion. .



yep.

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Winedavid39 wrote:yep.



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JudyL1118 wrote:WD, I think you're the greatest - but if you don't answer my question soon, I am going to hunt you down myself (via your wife) and cause you great pain and suffering!



PM

gcdyersb


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andyduncan wrote:I think the sales speed has far more to do with price than discussion. Almost all of the $10/bottle and below wines have sold out fairly quickly on WW.



It's definitely about price. I bought a case of NV wine (leftover barrels, funky barrels, who knows what?) from a local winery for $60 in their tasting room when I'd normally only buy a bottle or two of the more expensive stuff. But I've tasted enough under-$10 wine to know I wouldn't buy a half case or more without trying some first.

I guess it's just surprising people will buy blindly solely based on price. There's no winery website, new owners are definitely trying to move some old inventory they can't sell, and the winery participation has been minimal. That's not necessarily bad, but it doesn't scream this is a smokin' deal, either. Mostly seems like a risk comparable to buying a handful of Trader Joe's "one time only we got this at firesale prices" wines. Since I have access to Trader Joes, I don't find any added value at this price point via Woot.

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gcdyersb wrote:That's impressive. 1900 Woots sold out by mid-Tuesday. The Swedish Hill offer (4 bottles), two Roessler offers (3 and 2 bottles) and the Yorkville Cellars offer (3 bottles) combined to sell 1942 Woots and I don't think any of these sold out.

As many Woots in two days as in two solid weeks. There also seems to be an inverse ratio of sales to meaningful discussion. No good discussion = sells like hotcakes. Good discussion = small sales numbers.



I expect cost and "price per bottle" has more to do with it than meaningful discussion.

Sweedish Hill had a pretty low price per bottle ($12.50), but was a different region than folks are used to seeing; perhaps $50 for a NY 4-pack that included reds was more than most people were willing to spring for.

The best sellers seem to be in one of three groups: known high-quality wines with high-quality participation (Wellington, Ty Caton, SakeOne, Pedroncelli, etc.); Woot Cellars offerings (two of the top five selling offers were Woot Cellars); rock bottom prices.

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billmort wrote:I found the original wine list on the Wayback Machine. Still has prices and what not.



Yeah, but those are more than a year old.

I started there, but the last update showing was January 2008.

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MarkDaSpark wrote:WD has been trying different methods, since last year we had quite a few MIA labrats. One suggestion was to email the labrat to let them know to look for the package.



This is one of those things that has been said so often it almost seems true. By my count, we've had better than 90% labrat reporting. Sure there are a few missing (and there are probably also times when we expected there to be a labrat but don't know for sure if a bottle was ever sent.

That said, the e-mail notice is a nice touch!

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Winedavid39 wrote:PM



I think you dropped the "S".

[ducking]

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jwhite6114


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jwhite6114 wrote:I expect cost and "price per bottle" has more to do with it than meaningful discussion.

Sweedish Hill had a pretty low price per bottle ($12.50), but was a different region than folks are used to seeing; perhaps $50 for a NY 4-pack that included reds was more than most people were willing to spring for.

The best sellers seem to be in one of three groups: known high-quality wines with high-quality participation (Wellington, Ty Caton, SakeOne, Pedroncelli, etc.); Woot Cellars offerings (two of the top five selling offers were Woot Cellars); rock bottom prices.



Edit: Darn browser crash -- old news at this point.

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merryberry wrote:This is the second "pre-notice" of lab-rattery for this offer. Are people getting emails or PMs or phonecalls now tipping them off? That hasn't been the case before.



I got an email last night. Then I missed the FedEx guy, so now I have to drive several miles to the nearest FedEx location (which is only open to the public 15 minutes/day) to get my bottle. I'm not kidding, I live in the stix.

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In for none WhatTheF? That's what I get for having to work and not knowing it was bouncing. I for sure would have pulled the trigger on one...wanted the rattage to convine me to go with two. Well now I'll use the money for something else.

WD looks like the wooters have spoken....either ULTRA-CHEAP ($40 x 1900 = $76,000) or ULTRA-EXPENSIVE ($85 x 591 = $50,235). Those seem to be the last two big sellers, and back to back sans the food.

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jwhite6114 wrote:Edit: Darn browser crash -- old news at this point.



Take your time, it's sold out and any rattage would be before the rest of the shipments arrive at the homes of wooters anyways....that is unless you're doing a "dry run" for any future ratting.

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jwhite6114 wrote:I think you dropped the "S".

[ducking]



I'm not too sure that even ducking is going to save you this time! In the meantime, please accept my one fingered salute in homage to your great wit and ability to say so much with so few words (and obvious brain damage.)



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gcdyersb wrote:I guess it's just surprising people will buy blindly solely based on price. There's no winery website, new owners are definitely trying to move some old inventory they can't sell, and the winery participation has been minimal. That's not necessarily bad, but it doesn't scream this is a smokin' deal, either. Mostly seems like a risk comparable to buying a handful of Trader Joe's "one time only we got this at firesale prices" wines. Since I have access to Trader Joes, I don't find any added value at this price point via Woot.



Well I think your premise is flawed- I ordered 2 really early on knowing:


  • Corrado loved their wine of similar vintage
  • WD hasn't lead me horribly astray yet- if the wine was actually bad I would expect him not to sell it.


Besides I have no wine selling TJ's nearby...

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nmachen wrote:Yes, we are one of the archaic states that only sells wine & liquor at a liquor store. The only thing you can get at a grocery/convenience store is 3.2% alcohol beer.



You forgot to mention that MN is one of the only states which does NOT have to mention anywhere on the beer can or label that the beer is 3.2% (or less!). I challenge you to find any notation of alcoholic content on a 3.2 bottle or can!

I just erased a long diatribe about Minnesota, the nanny state, aka 'the state where nothing is allowed,' because my blood pressure just hit the ceiling thinking about it and I wanted to spare any of you the stress. At least, after today, we won't be the only socialist state in the Union.

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mother wrote:Well I think your premise is flawed- I ordered 2 really early on knowing:


  • Corrado loved their wine of similar vintage
  • WD hasn't lead me horribly astray yet- if the wine was actually bad I would expect him not to sell it.


Besides I have no wine selling TJ's nearby...



My reason for buying as well. WD has a reputation for not sucking in his wine choices. Every wine may not suit every customer, but the odds are good the majority will be happy with their purchase.

Ran out of room for the wines, and can't think of a good quote for now

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gcdyersb wrote:
I guess it's just surprising people will buy blindly solely based on price. There's no winery website, new owners are definitely trying to move some old inventory they can't sell, and the winery participation has been minimal. That's not necessarily bad, but it doesn't scream this is a smokin' deal, either. Mostly seems like a risk comparable to buying a handful of Trader Joe's "one time only we got this at firesale prices" wines. Since I have access to Trader Joes, I don't find any added value at this price point via Woot.



I don't think most people are buying blindly solely on price. As mentioned earlier, Corrado gave his thoughts on the previous JanKris woot, and many others of us were around for that one (Oct. 30, 2006). Then there is the fact that WD hasn't steered anyone wrong yet.

I bought because I liked the 2006 offering. It is good (not great) wine, but at $8.50 -$9/bottle, better than anything else in that price range.

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These wines are very good. A few have showed up at Big Lots around me for $4, and they were a steal at that price. I'm upset not to get in, but enjoy for those who did! I was impressed.

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JudyL1118 wrote:WD, I think you're the greatest - but if you don't answer my question soon, I am going to hunt you down myself (via your wife) and cause you great pain and suffering!



And thus Judy becomes the first to labrat woot! Brand Animal Tranquilizer. =P

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WD, thanks for the opportunity to labrat! I hope I will make you proud.
I guess it won't make a difference to sales at this point (sold out! as of this writing, 5pm est) but I'm happy to give some opinions.

LAB RAT REPORT:

Well, WD picked the right labrat this week.
I'm a TA for a course called "Understanding Wine and Beer" at Cornell (you heard of it?), so I thought I would use this, my first labrat opportunity, to let all the TAs and the professors have a taste and get their opinions on this wine. Lots of reviews for the price of one!

Below is my review, followed by a summary of their comments.

JANKRIS PICARO 2004

Label: Gaudy purple and gold, with parallel faces like the girl scouts' logo. Yikes. But you can't judge a wine by its label (especially when it's free! [thanks WD!])

Color: a tinge of reddish orange peeking through the normal deep purple of a young wine; it's starting to show its age, but just slightly.

Nose: Honestly, at my first sniff i got an interesting aroma: shellfish. like shrimp shells. Further down, i got sawdust, like a freshly cut 2x4. Eventually this led into some dark fruit, blueberryish characteristic jammy zinfandel notes.

Palate: At first sip, I felt this in my cheeks. The astringency puckered them right up, an experience that I've rarely had in a non-experimental wine before. That being said, it wasn't altogether unpleasant. I like a wine that firmly announces its presence in one's mouth, like a medieval herald's trumpet (you know, with the big banner on it). Dun da da DAH! WINE!
It's a bit woody, maybe owing to time spent in barrels?
It also had a hint of sweetness, which called me back to the fruit. I wouldn't be surprised if this has a bit of residual sugar.
On the palate I was reminded of a wine I had a little while ago, Viña Borgia (garnacha). It had juuuust a tinge of bitterness to go along with the astringency, what one might call "oaky tannin".

TA and Professor Comments:

PROFESSOR 1 picked up some red fruit on the nose. As a habitual Burgundy drinker, he found the astringency a bit overwhelming. I believe the word he used was "intense".

TA 1 (the head TA, son of a Napa winemaker) found that it had "not a lot of spice" and some "oaky tannins"

TA 2 found it "rich in flavor" and "powerful"

TA 3 got a bit of reduction on the nose (which i bet could explain my shellfish?). She also was having trouble getting fruit notes.

PROFESSOR 2 was by far the most loquacious. He picked up, in addition to jammy fruit, rosemary. On the palate (specifically, on expectoration) he got cedar and mint, with a little bitterness. He conjectures that the "harshness" he perceives is a combination of the high acidity and astrigency. He guessed that this wine would sell for $20 or so, so if you bought it, you've got that going for you.

Overall: I think this is a decent everyday wine, and I think the price point is more than appropriate. I've got another bottle coming, and I might stick it away for a year or two and see what happens with it. My guess is that the astringency will come down and it will be a lot more drinkable. I suggest pizza or lasagna with it.

I will try it again tonight with some dinner and post any further opinions.

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mother wrote:

  • WD hasn't lead me horribly astray yet- if the wine was actually bad I would expect him not to sell it.



You must not have been around for the Sierra Club offering. I think that offering, along with the photo of WD in the WhiteSnake T-shirt, backwards Padres cap, white high-tops, and acid washed jeans, pulling a Phelpsian hit off a 4-foot "water pipe" while throwing up "the horns", are two things that WD would rather we all just forgot about.

I'm putting WD's kids through college.

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They found more????

OK, they ran out of the Zin and replaced it with an extra Riatta. It appears that it's a "new" offering so get while the gettin's to be got! (or something like that)

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andyduncan wrote:You must not have been around for the Sierra Club offering. I think that offering, along with the photo of WD in the WhiteSnake T-shirt, backwards Padres cap, white high-tops, and acid washed jeans, pulling a Phelpsian hit off a 4-foot "water pipe" while throwing up "the horns", are two things that WD would rather we all just forgot about.



classic.

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mother wrote:

  • Corrado loved their wine of similar vintage
  • WD hasn't lead me horribly astray yet- if the wine was actually bad I would expect him not to sell it.



OK, it's not completely blind, but there's enough variability from varietal to varietal and vintage to vintage with small producers that one or several of the wines here might not be as good as what Corrado tasted. Or maybe they're better. Perhaps they've even aged gracefully in the last few years.

WD obviously isn't going to sell bad wine. The business is selling wine below the price it would ordinarily demand, and selling bad wine is not going to be good for the business. But sometimes you get what you pay for, even with steep discounts.

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JudyL1118 wrote:WD, I think you're the greatest - but if you don't answer my question soon, I am going to hunt you down myself (via your wife) and cause you great pain and suffering!



So you caught this weeks 24 I see

that was fun while it lasted!

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gcdyersb wrote:
WD obviously isn't going to sell bad wine. The business is selling wine below the price it would ordinarily demand, and selling bad wine is not going to be good for the business. But sometimes you get what you pay for, even with steep discounts.



Agreed, and at $8.50/bottle that is well within my tolerance for risk.

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mother wrote:
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  • Corrado loved their wine of similar vintage
  • WD hasn't lead me horribly astray yet- if the wine was actually bad I would expect him not to sell it.


Those were the main 2 reasons why I bought 2 sets- well, along with the QPR factor. If they're good, I drink and remember(& make notes). If I don't like them, they go down the drain(which btw has never happened with WootWines)... and I remember.

gcdyersb wrote:
~snipped some original content~
But sometimes you get what you pay for, even with steep discounts.


Obviously that is true, and maybe I should have just ordered 1 set. But in that case, maybe I would have been sorry for not getting in on 2.
(I regret not getting a full case of the Woot Cellars Tøøthstejnn when it was offered).




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