cheron98 wrote:So let the person drive several hours to abort their child Might make them really think about if this is REALLY what they want to do.

So. Many. Issues. Really. Part of me agrees, but then there's the whole set of kids who would get beaten or forced to have the child even if they didn't want to or weren't prepared to be a parent. imo, the worst thing to do is have people become parents when they are not making it a conscious choice.

cheron98 wrote:And when they charge more for their wines not because the wines are necessarily better, but simply because they are biodynamic. We went to a winery last year in Niagara area (remember klez? who was that, Tawse?) that was BD, and klez asked the dude why their prices were significantly higher than similar wineries in the area, and the guy could only say "Because we are biodynamic". Not because he could cite medals or accolades for their wines that would denote a higher quality product. Just because they are BD. I have a problem with that. Of course, we did not find this out until after I had already purchased two bottles. The wines were good, sure, but not good enough to justify the higher price.

I remember them - that was an epic fail. To their credit, they did not tell us up front that they were biodynamic and therefore their wines were better. I honestly enjoyed most of the wines there (Tawse) but felt their prices were a bit on the steep side. When that was the reason it became a clear no-buy situation for me. If they'd been able to say "our yields were tiny that year" or something, maybe I would have sprung for the $45 Cab Franc.

richardhod wrote:Graat, thanks! Squash is a bit sweet too, which will make it interesting!

BTW, I'm no great cook, but can I ask someone to make a suggestion for me?? I don't like the idea of condensed milk, on principle. Comes from a can, and there has to be a natural thing that it's trying to replace. Any thoughts? More proper milk, cream, or something else? I'm not experienced with soups, but I know that all natural is the way I want to go.

You could make sweetened condensed milk easily enough...just, um, condense the milk with a bunch of sugar in it until it is the appropriate thickness. Gotta be careful when boiling milk, though...don't want the proteins to all coagulate. I think Alton Brown also did a thing on this once, maybe to make tres leches cake.

edlada wrote:I don't understand the "I hate biodynamic wines because they cost more" argument. If you like the wine buy it, if you like it but you can't afford it, well there are an awful lot of wines in that category, at least for me. There is plenty of scientific evidence that biodynamic is BS. There are so many "free market" advocates on this forum that I can't believe people here hating biodynamic wines "because they cost more". Who cares, caveat emptor, there are many non biodynamic on the market that are way overpriced too.

I agree if that's the argument - but to me the argument is actually that I will be more loathe to spend on a wine that is high priced because it's biodynamic. Plus, it's not a hatred of the wines - just a strong dislike of the price hike due to biodynamics. If it's a $20 wine that I think is worth $20, or better yet, $30 then I will buy it. But if it's a $40 wine that tastes no better than a $25 wine and the justification is "biodynamics", then ciao.

tenuki wrote:Any recommendations for a small office shredder? Hopefully under a few hundred bucks, but understand we're a law office so go through a lot of paper, and I picture someone (namely me) sitting there trying to feed a 10-15 sheet one and ... that'd take forever. I guess it wouldn't all have to be shredded but ...

Fireplace. BBQ. Smoker. Could you imagine: legal document-smoked brisket??

Edit: oy, that's a lot of posts in a row!

klezman wrote:So. Many. Issues. Really. Part of me agrees, but then there's the whole set of kids who would get beaten or forced to have the child even if they didn't want to or weren't prepared to be a parent. imo, the worst thing to do is have people become parents when they are not making it a conscious choice.

I agree with you. I was doing an admirable job of not commenting on this, one of my "pet" issues, but what the hell, here we go. When I think about the abortion debate, the person I'm thinking of is a pregnant woman in a desperate situation. It might be a desperate situation for a variety of reasons, most commonly it's financial but sometimes there are health concerns or nefarious characters involved. Surely nobody would argue that abortion should be undertaken without putting a lot of thought into it. However, when we cheer for making it as difficult as possible for those who need it most, I think we're forgetting something. We can talk about so-called "personhood" amendments, but let's not forget that a pregnant woman is certainly a person, not an incubator, not some subhuman whose concerns can be completely disregarded in favor of another. Any sincere debate on this issue must include consideration for the person who's doing all the heavy lifting.

*gulps wine*

rjquillin wrote:Indeed. What in particular do you like about that one, inquiring minds like to know?

Over on WTSO, you can now find

Cockburn Quinta Dos Canais Vintage Port 2007

I am not sure if it is the same variety that I had when I went out for dinner. But I know It was Fonseca, cause I love saying the name... don't ask....

It was just a nice port, not too sweet, some rasiny, plumy taste maybe almond? I don't remember all the yummmy tastes. Just that it was yummy!!

How is the Cockburn port?

chemvictim wrote:I agree with you. I was doing an admirable job of not commenting on this, one of my "pet" issues, but what the hell, here we go. When I think about the abortion debate, the person I'm thinking of is a pregnant woman in a desperate situation. It might be a desperate situation for a variety of reasons, most commonly it's financial but sometimes there are health concerns or nefarious characters involved. Surely nobody would argue that abortion should be undertaken without putting a lot of thought into it. However, when we cheer for making it as difficult as possible for those who need it most, I think we're forgetting something. We can talk about so-called "personhood" amendments, but let's not forget that a pregnant woman is certainly a person, not an incubator, not some subhuman whose concerns can be completely disregarded in favor of another. Any sincere debate on this issue must include consideration for the person who's doing all the heavy lifting.

*gulps wine*

well put!!

well I survived today... Let me tell you, you haven't had fun until you bathe a chicken!!! Yes, I said it, bathe a chicken!!!! It is fair time and yep, chicken has to be bathed before it goes to fair!!!

On a positive note, I am feeling WAAY better!! the only thing is if I talk, I get that tickly feeling in my throat, so I start coughing..... I think some wine will fix that!!!

mommadeb1 wrote:well I survived today... Let me tell you, you haven't had fun until you bathe a chicken!!! Yes, I said it, bathe a chicken!!!! It is fair time and yep, chicken has to be bathed before it goes to fair!!!

On a positive note, I am feeling WAAY better!! the only thing is if I talk, I get that tickly feeling in my throat, so I start coughing..... I think some wine will fix that!!!

I would like to see a video of a chicken bath.

chemvictim wrote:I would like to see a video of a chicken bath.

Delivered

Not usually how the chickens look when in my kitchen sink...

chemvictim wrote:I would like to see a video of a chicken bath.

Frankly I'm scared to google it, who knows what might turn up

Itwdswafo wrote:Delivered

Not usually how the chickens look when in my kitchen sink...

That chicken has a very clean butt...I guess that is the area of concern.

mommadeb1 wrote:I am not sure if it is the same variety that I had when I went out for dinner. But I know It was Fonseca, cause I love saying the name... don't ask....

It was just a nice port, not too sweet, some rasiny, plumy taste maybe almond? I don't remember all the yummmy tastes. Just that it was yummy!!

How is the Cockburn port?

Got some of this Fonseca Bin 27 from Costco for dirt cheap, haven't opened one yet however only mid 80's on CT
https://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=9498

and the WTSO is this with CT in the 90's
https://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=780220

and here's the link for your Thief listing, also with CT 90's
https://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=909141


Lots of Fonseca listings, only four Cockburns.
I'm thinking either of the latter two could be pretty tasty, but others here are more qualified to render an opinion than I...

mommadeb1 wrote:well I survived today... Let me tell you, you haven't had fun until you bathe a chicken!!! Yes, I said it, bathe a chicken!!!! It is fair time and yep, chicken has to be bathed before it goes to fair!!!

On a positive note, I am feeling WAAY better!! the only thing is if I talk, I get that tickly feeling in my throat, so I start coughing..... I think some wine will fix that!!!

Bathe a chicken, yeah, done that, in rather hot water to make it easier to pluck before it goes into the final pot of water...

rjquillin wrote:Bathe a chicken, yeah, done that, in rather hot water to make it easier to pluck before it goes into the final pot of water...

make sure it's dead first, rather than just headless

Itwdswafo wrote:Delivered

Not usually how the chickens look when in my kitchen sink...

I was outside, 3 buckets. 1 with soapy water, 1 with plain water, 1 with vinegar water. fun fun fun. the funniest thing is I had to dry it with the hair dryer on the bathroom floor!!!! oh the things we do for our kids!!

rjquillin wrote:Got some of this Fonseca Bin 27 from Costco for dirt cheap, haven't opened one yet however only mid 80's on CT
https://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=9498

and the WTSO is this with CT in the 90's
https://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=780220

and here's the link for your Thief listing, also with CT 90's
https://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=909141


Lots of Fonseca listings, only four Cockburns.
I'm thinking either of the latter two could be pretty tasty, but others here are more qualified to render an opinion than I...

Thanks, but the links don't work...

Why are we discussing politics not in the Politics thread and BD wines not in the BD thread?!?!?! Stop the madness!!!!!!

rjquillin wrote:Got some of this Fonseca Bin 27 from Costco for dirt cheap, haven't opened one yet however only mid 80's on CT
https://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=9498

and the WTSO is this with CT in the 90's
https://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=780220

and here's the link for your Thief listing, also with CT 90's
https://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=909141


Lots of Fonseca listings, only four Cockburns.
I'm thinking either of the latter two could be pretty tasty, but others here are more qualified to render an opinion than I...

Fixed the links. It was the equal sign throwing them off.


Edit: And I really like the Fonseca Ports. Yummy!

MarkDaSpark wrote:Fixed the links. It was the equal sign throwing them off.


Edit: And I really like the Fonseca Ports. Yummy!

I am trying to decide if I should get them. Have you had this Fonseca before? I don't know if it is the same as I had before... can I justify the price? what is the proper way to store port?

kylemittskus wrote:Why are we discussing politics not in the Politics thread and BD wines not in the BD thread?!?!?! Stop the madness!!!!!!

madness is good sometimes!!!!!

MarkDaSpark wrote:Fixed the links. It was the equal sign throwing them off.


Edit: And I really like the Fonseca Ports. Yummy!

Thanks Mark!

klezman wrote:I think that's called yogurt, or even Yop. If you're getting "fancy" (i.e. Lebanese or Turkish or Greek) then it's kefir.

Lactaid is a pill or solution containing active lactase enzyme, that handy little protein that your intestinal epithelium has declined to produce for you.

nah, they have milk with it in there. Maybe if you let it sit it'd turn to yogurt. Dunno. I can drink that no problem.

chemvictim wrote:I would like to see a video of a chicken bath.

I call it soup

bhodilee wrote:I call it soup

Exactly!

rjquillin wrote:Exactly!

no, no, no......... we did the chicken bath for the soup chickens a couple of weeks ago!! ha ha ha I am sooo funny!

mommadeb1 wrote:no, no, no......... we did the chicken bath for the soup chickens a couple of weeks ago!! ha ha ha I am sooo funny!

there's only two kinds of chickens. Soup chickens and fried chickens

bhodilee wrote:there's only two kinds of chickens. Soup chickens and fried chickens

ahhh, baked and broiled come to mind, as well as spit bbq'd. Still recall the year we raised turkeys, four of 'em. Two each for T-day and Christmas (can I say that here?)? Gave one each away for assistance in bird prep. They used to chase me all around the yard and sit on the kitchen stoop, still, they were destined to become part of the food chain, and they were all delich...

That OWW Pinot Gris tasting good this evening, unique, but good.

1 1/2 hours til the most important day EVER!

bhodilee wrote:1 1/2 hours til the most important day EVER!

What day would that be?

well I waited too long.... Fonseca is gone..... prob. for the best... didn't need to spend that much

mommadeb1 wrote:I am trying to decide if I should get them. Have you had this Fonseca before? I don't know if it is the same as I had before... can I justify the price? what is the proper way to store port?

I think I've had the latter one and really enjoyed it. Although I think I got mine for a steal when it was on sale at my local wine shop. Really, really need to update CT. Think I still have one in my locker.

Port is best stored in a cool, but not cold, dark location that has a steady temp. You can lay it on it's side if it has a cork.

mommadeb1 wrote:well I waited too long.... Fonseca is gone..... prob. for the best... didn't need to spend that much

Check out Fonseca LBV (Late Bottled Vintage) Port. I can usually get the LBV ofr about $20 and we really enjoy it. The true vintage port is better, but much more expensive and 20 years in the future.

rjquillin wrote:Thanks Mark!

We call him Sparky

cheron98 wrote:We call him Sparky

Occasionally, Sparkly!

bhodilee wrote:Occasionally, Sparkly!

But he hates that and then bad things happen.

MarkDaSpark wrote:I think I've had the latter one and really enjoyed it. Although I think I got mine for a steal when it was on sale at my local wine shop. Really, really need to update CT. Think I still have one in my locker.

Port is best stored in a cool, but not cold, dark location that has a steady temp. You can lay it on it's side if it has a cork.

thanks... will remember next time I see some port at a steal!!

Looking for merbill and pcuccaro...

bhodilee wrote:nah, they have milk with it in there. Maybe if you let it sit it'd turn to yogurt. Dunno. I can drink that no problem.

Right..you can get Lactaid milk, which has the lactase enzyme already added. Or you can buy the enzyme in pill form and take it whenever you start drinking milk or having a lactose-infested dish so that it takes care of the troublesome disaccharide before if throws off the osmotic balance further down. You can get packs of generic store brand lactase enzyme for maybe 20 cents a pill. Look for the pills with at least 9000 U of lactase.

As for milk with L. acidophilus, that's exactly how one makes yogurt, although usually yogurt also has L. bulgaricus and S. thermophilus.