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Meeker 2007 Forklift Grenache - 3 Pack

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Cesare


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Meeker 2007 Forklift Grenache - 3 Pack
$44.99 + $7.00 shipping
CONDITION: Red
PRODUCT: 3 2007 Forklift Grenache
CT link above

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debchan


quality posts: 2 Private Messages debchan

Is this the wine of Sandy Frank?

knotheadusc


quality posts: 5 Private Messages knotheadusc

My husband warned me that we are approaching poverty, but he loves a good grenache. I couldn't resist. In for one.

trifecta


quality posts: 72 Private Messages trifecta

Okay.... Where is Lucas with all the info for us??

sdilullo


quality posts: 36 Private Messages sdilullo
trifecta wrote:Okay.... Where is Lucas with all the info for us??



His participation does always make it very tempting to click the big yellow button...

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lucasmeeker


quality posts: 81 Private Messages lucasmeeker
sdilullo wrote:His participation does always make it very tempting to click the big yellow button...



Sorry I'm late! I've had some technical difficulties after getting home from the winery... give me a minute and you'll have your info!

Lucas Meeker
The Meeker Vineyard
www.meekerwine.com
@meekerwine

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bsevern


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I need to try one of the 2004 Kiss Ridge Cabernet Sauvignons I got from you.....so I can decide if I need to pull the trigger on the special offer you included to get the 2005 cabs

Now about this Grenache....I wonder how it compares with the Mathis Grenache we had here back in April?

jplamb


quality posts: 15 Private Messages jplamb

Lucas, in one of the CT reviews the reviewer said he thought you used oak chips to impart flavor to the wine. Any comment on the validity of that?

jhkey


quality posts: 51 Private Messages jhkey

Deleted.

"I double the doctor's recommendation of a glass and a half of wine a day and even treble it with a friend."
- Thomas Jefferson (CT)

lucasmeeker


quality posts: 81 Private Messages lucasmeeker

Howdy folks! Sorry I'm late... just got home from the winery.

Anyways, this 2007 Grenache (which we lovingly call Forklift!) is an awesome awesome awesome wine. This is probably in my top 5 favorite wines that we've released in the past 5 years or so. Here's why...

Grenache, as you all probably know, is a varietal that can make a variety of different styles of wine. Some light and fruity, some dark and inky. This is not only because of massive variance in just plain old winemaking style, but also because the different vine clones that we have available to us can vary greatly in color and tannin production.

Now that most of you are relatively familiar with our style of wine (big structure, tannic, medium alcohol, long aging, high acidity, etc.), you can probably assume that a Meeker Grenache is not going to be your typical Grenache... and you'd be correct.

If you all remember, one of the techniques that we use when we ferment Cabernet Franc to avoid green-ness and maximize fruit extraction is to do a "bleed", where we drain a certain amount of juice off of the must before fermentation in order to increase the skin-to-juice ratio. The point of this is simple: the tannin, color, flavor, everything delicious, the "good stuff", in a finished red wine largely comes from the skins and seeds of the grape. If you decrease the amount of initial juice, but leave the original amount of skins and seeds, you have a smaller quantity of wine that all the same amount of "good stuff" goes into.

In grapes that don't inherently produce massive amount of fruit forward character and big tannin development, juice bleeding is a very effective tool. In that wonderful Cab Franc we had on Woot a couple months ago, we did a 20% juice bleed. That's a pretty heavy bleed, but well within industry standards.

This Grenache, however... 50% juice bleed. Seriously. We drained off 50% of the juice into our rose blend. We absolutely went bat-feces crazy on the bleed in order to maximize color, structure, fruit and character.

Kaboom. It worked.

This wine is awesome.

You all are probably familiar with Grenache's role in Rhone blends and the like, and there are lots of great things to say about those wines. Hopefully, however, you've had the pleasure of seeing what this grape does in Dry Creek Valley. If you have, you probably liked it. If you haven't, this is a heck of an opportunity to get your foot in the door.

I will say this, though: Whereas the Carignane we had up yesterday is pretty much the only "medium" bodied wine we make... this Grenache is NOT, by any means, a medium bodied wine. Even though the varietal's general character and typical style would lead you to believe this is a light, fruity wine, don't be fooled. This is Grenache with guts.

I think I'm going to trademark that last line.

Unfortunately, because I'm at home right now and not at work (you can thank my Dad for actually letting me go home), I don't have any of that wonderful technical data that I would normally throw at you all. Hopefully you can do without it. As you know, we correct all of our wines to .75 TA, so that number I can definitely give you: this wine started fermentation at .75 TA. Past that, you'll have to just trust me: this wine rules.

You can expect it to cellar for at least another 3-5 years. Maybe longer. You won't, though. You'll open one bottle and the other two will be gone within a month. And you probably won't want to share with your friends that aren't that important to you. Just saying.

Lucas Meeker
The Meeker Vineyard
www.meekerwine.com
@meekerwine

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OoWillz


quality posts: 3 Private Messages OoWillz
lucasmeeker wrote:
...You can expect it to cellar for at least another 3-5 years. Maybe longer. You won't, though. You'll open one bottle and the other two will be gone within a month. And you probably won't want to share with your friends that aren't that important to you. Just saying.



hahahaha. This sounds like my kind of wine. In for one. I have a feeling I will end up drinking it all before the 3-5 year window.

kylemittskus


quality posts: 231 Private Messages kylemittskus

I love big ass wines and I love Grenache. However, I can't buy any wine until September. Seriously. I am absolutely spent. Please bring this back sometime soon Lucas! PLEASE!!! As always, thanks for the great participation.

"If drinking is bitter, change yourself to wine." -Rainer Maria Rilke

"Champagne is a very kind and friendly thing on a rainy night." -Isak Dinesen

mew5280


quality posts: 3 Private Messages mew5280

You had me at

lucasmeeker wrote:
bat-feces crazy



Just saying.



klezman


quality posts: 123 Private Messages klezman

OK, you got me this time, Lucas! I will stash this in the last few remaining slots in my wine locker alongside your Cab Franc. Looking forward to trying the juice!

Thanks for being so active with your sales, especially during the woot-off.

2014: 32 bottles. Last wine.woot: Scott Harvey Jana Cathedral 3 L
2013: 66 bottles, 2012: 91 bottles, 2011: 92 bottles, 2010: 74 bottles, 2009: 30 bottles, 2008: 3 bottles My CT

chemvictim


quality posts: 3 Private Messages chemvictim

Winemaker comments just too good. I dragged my butt out of bed to push the button. Now back to bed. Goodnight.

sdilullo


quality posts: 36 Private Messages sdilullo
lucasmeeker wrote:This is Grenache with guts.

I think I'm going to trademark that last line.


Damn you, Lucas...

sdilullo wrote:His participation does always make it very tempting to click the big yellow button...


...consider me done tempted. In for one!

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CigarDan


quality posts: 2 Private Messages CigarDan

I'm convinced. In for 2.

jhkey


quality posts: 51 Private Messages jhkey

hmmmm... highly extracted Grenache... So similar to a Phillipe Cambie Rhone?

"I double the doctor's recommendation of a glass and a half of wine a day and even treble it with a friend."
- Thomas Jefferson (CT)

mursecrna


quality posts: 2 Private Messages mursecrna

OK, a winery with good participation, a tasty looking Grenache, AND the winery has love for New Hampshire. This is a win-win-win situation. :-D

In for 2.

kylemittskus


quality posts: 231 Private Messages kylemittskus

Why am I still staring at this? It's making me want it. Must resist!

"If drinking is bitter, change yourself to wine." -Rainer Maria Rilke

"Champagne is a very kind and friendly thing on a rainy night." -Isak Dinesen

acksman


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In for one. The last Meeker I bought did not disappoint.

jplamb


quality posts: 15 Private Messages jplamb

Loved your wine making description, in for a half case. I think Lucas is definitely making Meeker into one of the wine.woot favorites with the great participation on every offer.

sdilullo


quality posts: 36 Private Messages sdilullo
jplamb wrote:Loved your wine making description, in for a half case. I think Lucas is definitely making Meeker into one of the wine.woot favorites with the great participation on every offer.



Agreed, between Lucas and Jim at Humanitas / Michel-Schlumberger we've got more entertainment here than your average open mic night!

my CT | bottles wooted to date: 249
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lucasmeeker


quality posts: 81 Private Messages lucasmeeker
jplamb wrote:Lucas, in one of the CT reviews the reviewer said he thought you used oak chips to impart flavor to the wine. Any comment on the validity of that?



Yeah, we use oak chips to add a touch of oak tannin to any wine that we think needs some oak going into the last 6 or so months of its aging. Tons of wineries use them. The concept that they're "inferior" or a sign of a poor wine is pretty much a marketing myth. The reason they have that rep is because they're often used as a SUBSTITUTE for barrel aging, which we DO NOT DO.

The reality is this: if I were to 100% new French oak a wine, it would cost me about $3.60, off-the-truck hard cost, per bottle. When I mark that price up to wholesale, it's probably about a 80-100% markup before you then get a distributor and retailer markup. That $3.60 to me can end up costing you, purchasing on the shelf, upwards of $11/bottle retail. We think that's ridiculous, and it's not our style anyways. So, instead, we like to under-estimate the amount of oak we think a wine will need. And then, if it needs a touch more (which often times they don't because of our stylistic preferences), we'll chip the wine during the last year of aging. A bag of chips cut from the scraps from coopering, that I can put on 400ish cases to add a touch of oak, costs me $65. That costs the consumer, um, pennies?

Granted, you would rarely 100% new oak a wine, but even at 50%... it's a BIG price difference.

BUTBUTBUT: DO NOT. DO NOT. DO NOT. ASSUME that we don't use barrels. In fact, we have over 2000 barrels. We do buy new barrels every year, almost all French. We barrel age everything we make, ev-er-y-thing, at LEAST 24 months, even the inexpensive stuff. Nobody else does that. We prefer to spend our money on aging, quality, and keeping the price down, rather than spend it all on overpriced oak.

Most wineries will not tell you the truth about oak chips because they don't want to seem "cheap". I'm happy to be honest with you about the reality of this product because it's an effective way for us to bring you a better wine at an even better price.

I actually don't remember using them on this wine, however. And on top of that, anybody who tells you that they can taste the difference between a barrel and a chip is probably lying. That might have been the case 15 years ago, when the chips were made from crap wood, but now the chips are made from great wood, the same as the best barrels. That guy tasted the wine right after it was released... and it was admittedly pretty tight at the time, but still an awesome wine. Now that it's been in bottle for a while, it's evened out quite a bit, and it's currently one of my personal favorites.

Oak chips are a great tool for "touching up" a wine. But not a great substitute for barrel aging. I hope this helps, and I hope I can help clear up the stigma around the reasonable (keyword) use of chips.

Let me know if you have any other questions!

Lucas Meeker
The Meeker Vineyard
www.meekerwine.com
@meekerwine

Question? Just ask!

stormn1


quality posts: 7 Private Messages stormn1

Aw crap. SIWBM (Self-Imposed Wine Buying Maniac). I need a cardboard sign - will work for wine.

Meeker 2007 Forklift Grenache - 3 Pack
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arlenpelon


quality posts: 0 Private Messages arlenpelon

After having the great Cab Franc in a past offering I am definately in for one. Only wish I would have been around during yesterdays offering...

daddybush


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shoot, in for one. winery participation was too good.

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kylemittskus


quality posts: 231 Private Messages kylemittskus
lucasmeeker wrote:I'm happy to be honest with you about the reality of this product...



You are the man.

"If drinking is bitter, change yourself to wine." -Rainer Maria Rilke

"Champagne is a very kind and friendly thing on a rainy night." -Isak Dinesen

hokiedevil


quality posts: 9 Private Messages hokiedevil

In for one! Grenache is always a fun bottle to have around and the Cab Franc we ordered from Meeker a while back was great! My wife typically will pass on Cab Franc but she loved Meeker :o)

texacaliali


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going to be another sell-out, right now Texas is in the lead.

WineDavid was my Boss!

tytiger58


quality posts: 74 Private Messages tytiger58
kylemittskus wrote:Why am I still staring at this? It's making me want it. Must resist!



I think I will go for this Kyle if I give you one I think we will be even in the big trade

What contemptible scoundrel stole the cork from my lunch? ~ W. C. Fields

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losthighwayz


quality posts: 59 Private Messages losthighwayz

Hi Lucas:

did u ever address the oak chips question? Do you guys USE oak Chips? Thanks!

"The older I get the better I was"

lucasmeeker


quality posts: 81 Private Messages lucasmeeker
hokiedevil wrote:In for one! Grenache is always a fun bottle to have around and the Cab Franc we ordered from Meeker a while back was great! My wife typically will pass on Cab Franc but she loved Meeker :o)



Your wife has excellent and discerning taste, clearly.

Lucas Meeker
The Meeker Vineyard
www.meekerwine.com
@meekerwine

Question? Just ask!

losthighwayz


quality posts: 59 Private Messages losthighwayz

Lucas:

I was in Geyserville for Vineman Tri in July and went into tasting room looking for you. The place was packed! Left you a note. did u get note?

"The older I get the better I was"

bud8jr


quality posts: 0 Private Messages bud8jr

So how long does this need to open up?

Is this in oak for 24 months with chips added in the last 6?


lucasmeeker


quality posts: 81 Private Messages lucasmeeker
losthighwayz wrote:Lucas:

I was in Geyserville for Vineman Tri in July and went into tasting room looking for you. The place was packed! Left you a note. did u get note?



I did get the note. You need to let me know ahead of time so I can make sure to be there!

Lucas Meeker
The Meeker Vineyard
www.meekerwine.com
@meekerwine

Question? Just ask!

jwohlenb


quality posts: 1 Private Messages jwohlenb

Damn, I've held out all day long, even through the last Meeker offering, which was oh so tempting, and this one was just too good. In for one. Thanks Lucas!

lucasmeeker


quality posts: 81 Private Messages lucasmeeker
losthighwayz wrote:Hi Lucas:

did u ever address the oak chips question? Do you guys USE oak Chips? Thanks!



Yes... please scroll up and read my really long post about it.

Lucas Meeker
The Meeker Vineyard
www.meekerwine.com
@meekerwine

Question? Just ask!

kylemittskus


quality posts: 231 Private Messages kylemittskus
tytiger58 wrote:I think I will go for this Kyle if I give you one I think we will be even in the big trade



We won't be even, but it will help. Remember, we split the 2 Rhone 2-packs @ $50 each? Plus the few dollar difference between the white burg and the Gigondas. That puts us at owing each other wine and you owing me $56. I'll PM you when I get home with the breakdown of who owes who what and such. I have it all logged out because I'm a weirdo.

"If drinking is bitter, change yourself to wine." -Rainer Maria Rilke

"Champagne is a very kind and friendly thing on a rainy night." -Isak Dinesen