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EDITED 10/12
Crush will take place Monday, October 19
Press is tentatively scheduled for October 26


Hi Everyone,

Is it too early to start planning another SoCal tasting, Satellite Vegas Edition?

Here is my idea, let me know your thoughts, please.

How about a winemaking adventure?

On Friday, I visited the Nevada School of Winemaking, aka Grape Expectations. I gathered lots of info.

Here is the link to the Grape Expectations website.

NOTE: CWO Charlie Peters has offered to meet us online for a Q&A session.

Slots are quickly filling up for the fall, so if this is a go, we need to decide a date by the end of July. The fee must be paid in full when the date is confirmed.

Here are the basics:

A group makes their own wine, 1 barrel yielding app 240+ bottles. The first step is to decide which varietals, more about this later.

The 2nd step, the crush, will be augmented by a discussion of the effects of yeast, and maceration during the process. Oh, and a party! There is ample room at the facility for a gathering, including chafing dishes, etc.

The 3rd step, a week or 2 after primary fermentation begins, is time to press the juice from the must. I am committed to seeing the process through to the finish, for those who cannot come out for each step.

The 4th step is time to rack the wine, a few months later.

The final step is bottling day, no later than last week of May. (More about this later, too)
Gravity fill sterilized, cork, capsule, label. Oh, and another party.

About the grapes:
From Suisun Valley comes Cab, merlot, cab franc, syrah, petite sirah
From Mendicino (Brutocao) comes quality Merlot.
From Amador, comes true old vine zin, barbera, and sangiovese.

Other varietals are available, especially for blending. Blending is encouraged and must be decided ahead of time so the grapes may be set aside for us.

I have much more info, I’ll head on over and start a new thread. The cost is $2400, about $10 per bottle.

Here is the link to the Grape Expectations website.

Dates:
October 16-19 WINEMAKING is on Monday 10/19


Confirmed
Payment due by September 1
full case CAgirl paid
full case Cheron98 paid
full case Imagine4vr paid
full case Java paid
full case Markdaspark paid
full case mewalk707 paid
3 3/4cases sanity plus mr sanity paid
full case tenuki paid
1/2 case Tenuki's friend paid

Maybes
jwink

Sponsors
1/2 case lauratchi paid
full case cj paid
full case Bahwm and Ddeuddeg paid
full case TtheC paid
1/2 case Zoomba77 paid
full case gregorylane paid
full case Cat's friend paid
1/2 case polarbearr22 paid
1/2 case HAK paid
1/2 case trwagner paid
1/2 case mewalk707's aunt paid
1/4 case Sulakd paid
1/4 case merbill paid
1/4 case sanity's friends paid
zTimothyBz

Regrets
joelsisk
mother
PetiteSirah
Nostrom0
soochie
eric9tx
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Total # of bottles needed to confirm = 240
Total # bottles paid so far = 240
Total # of bottles available
for sponsorship = sold out!
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Imagine - Rio (Sat thru Tues)
Java - Las Vegas Hilton (Sat thru Tues)
Tenuki - Desert Rose condo place (Fri thru Tues?)
Cheron - Fri-Sun: Westin Casuarina Hotel & Casino
Sun-Wed: Monte Carlo
Mewalk - w/Cheron (Sat - Tues?)

Markdespark - (Rio Sun-Mon)

Here's the link to the thread for "Things to do in Vegas...."

Here's the link to the last Vegas gathering with all the travel info, etc.

cheron98


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Interested! For sure! Going to need a better per-person estimated cost before committing, of course. I'd love to get back out there And maybe be able to drag along my Mr. W

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ddeuddeg


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Decided to x-post this one, too.

sanity wrote:The crush and the bottling are the most work and most fun. I figured most people would not make it out for the middle steps, and I'd would take care of those. That gives us about 7 months between the two steps, plenty of time to plan to attend one or the other or both?



Let's see, last November we visited Vegas for the first time, and it only took us 3 months to get back. (I'm sure you remember.)
We'll be keeping an eye on this one -- SWA seems to like running sales that make Vegas a very reasonable destination.

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Imagine4vr


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I am very interested and depending on the timing and the costs, I'd be interested for a lot of the process. Will keep watching this thread for details.

tommythecat78


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I think if we can get 10-15 people interested the per person costs are very reasonable even with travel expenses.

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tommythecat78 wrote:I think if we can get 10-15 people interested the per person costs are very reasonable even with travel expenses.



At 15 people that would be $160 a person plus travel. Would other people be interested in/or be able to "sponsor" a bottle of wine? I don't think we could legally sell it. Meaning for those unable to attend who'd like to taste our results. My budget is limited, just looking at ways to cut costs.

Other than the money, do we have to commit to a minimum # of people to help with crush/bottling etc.?

sanity


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Imagine4vr wrote:At 15 people that would be $160 a person plus travel. Would other people be interested in/or be able to "sponsor" a bottle of wine? I don't think we could legally sell it. Meaning for those unable to attend who'd like to taste our results. My budget is limited, just looking at ways to cut costs.

Other than the money, do we have to commit to a minimum # of people to help with crush/bottling etc.?



No commitment, other than the ability to pay,
In fact, too many people would take away from the experience since the facility is small. At that point, the consideration would be to do 2 barrels.

That's a great idea, to sponsor bottles, for those not able to come. Considerations would be shipping costs.

The facility is really a proper winery (not a vineyard, tho!)very clean, has all the proper equipment, the owner is also a master sommelier, and just seems to love what he is doing.

sanity


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tommythecat78 wrote:I think if we can get 10-15 people interested the per person costs are very reasonable even with travel expenses.



Another consideration is what day of the week. During crush, weekends will see more than one group at a time doing their thing. Charlie suggested a Monday would be a great day, since we'd have the place to ourselves. Also, hotel costs are much lower here Sunday, Monday. A thought is to come out Saturday or Sunday, stay over till late Monday or early Tuesday.

I'll cross post the travel info from the old Vegas thread. This place is in Henderson, south east of the strip. I'll post all the closest hotels, etc.

cjsiege


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Due to crazy-assed testing, there is no way I can make it in person. But I will gladly sponsor at least 2 bottles. (Easy on the PS, there, all you PSychos!)

mother


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Very interesting... I think you might find us into multiple barrels pretty easily. I can't see people wanting less than a couple cases at the end.

Good bad or ugly, you know we're going to want to show it off :P And by the time we fly into Vegas 2+ times, would you really care about the $240 the wine cost?

Imagine4vr


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sanity wrote:Another consideration is what day of the week. During crush, weekends will see more than one group at a time doing their thing. Charlie suggested a Monday would be a great day, since we'd have the place to ourselves. Also, hotel costs are much lower here Sunday, Monday. A thought is to come out Saturday or Sunday, stay over till late Monday or early Tuesday.

I'll cross post the travel info from the old Vegas thread. This place is in Henderson, south east of the strip. I'll post all the closest hotels, etc.



Speaking just for myself, if it were weekdays, I'd be much more likely to come out multiple times - flights are cheap and the rooms are cheaper/free.

I wouldn't need cases ... several bottles would be enough for me!

edit: so to clarify - the initial process would be in the fall, with 2 dates within a couple weeks? And then the bottling would be as late as May?

cheron98


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Imagine4vr wrote:Speaking just for myself, if it were weekdays, I'd be much more likely to come out multiple times - flights are cheap and the rooms are cheaper/free.

I wouldn't need cases ... several bottles would be enough for me!



Weekdays would be OK, just so long as it's Monday or Thursday or Friday - much easier to get time off work for travel when it's wrapped with a weekend. I know weekend hotel costs are ++... but just speaking for me, I'd rather be able to have the extra days down without having to use the PTO.

And as far as # bottles - I don't see myself really going for more than a case. Easier to get the one case back home, and, well, y'know, I just don't drink fast enough on my own to get more

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mother


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cheron98 wrote:
And as far as # bottles - I don't see myself really going for more than a case. Easier to get the one case back home, and, well, y'know, I just don't drink fast enough on my own to get more



You will probably give away more than a case...

sanity


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Imagine4vr wrote:Speaking just for myself, if it were weekdays, I'd be much more likely to come out multiple times - flights are cheap and the rooms are cheaper/free.

I wouldn't need cases ... several bottles would be enough for me!

edit: so to clarify - the initial process would be in the fall, with 2 dates within a couple weeks? And then the bottling would be as late as May?


Yes.

Here in the forum we'll decide on which varietal(s).

The crush is in the fall; my understanding is we have about a 5 week window from which to choose (grapes are kept in cold storage). This window ends last weekend of October. That's Halloween, so that may be a no go for some.

I keep in touch with Charlie to determine optimum time to press, usually a week or two after crush.

Racking is done Jan/Feb.

Bottling mid/end May.

He guarantees 240 bottles, says often there is more.

Sounds like your idea to have sponsors for bottles may catch on. I would definitely help out with getting bottles shipped if need be.

cheron98


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mother wrote:You will probably give away more than a case...



Honestly, aside from you folks, I don't have a lot of wine drinking friends. Family doesn't drink. So. Yeah.

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cheron98


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sanity wrote:Yes.

Here in the forum we'll decide on which varietal(s).

The crush is in the fall; my understanding is we have about a 5 week window from which to choose (grapes are kept in cold storage). This window ends last weekend of October. That's Halloween, so that may be a no go for some.

I keep in touch with Charlie to determine optimum time to press, usually a week or two after crush.

Racking is done Jan/Feb.

Bottling mid/end May.

He guarantees 240 bottles, says often there is more.

Sounds like your idea to have sponsors for bottles may catch on. I would definitely help out with getting bottles shipped if need be.



I think last year we were saying October would be a good time for another tasting. It really was beautiful weather... mid-October sounds good to me

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sanity


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cheron98 wrote:I think last year we were saying October would be a good time for another tasting. It really was beautiful weather... mid-October sounds good to me



October is a magical time here, really; even better than spring time.

CAGrl


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Sounds like a great idea. Depending on when it is, I'd be game.

tenuki


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I'm in. Say $120 for 5%?

CT

javadrinker


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You know I'm in.

Great frickin' idea Sanity. Glad to see you back!!!!

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sanity


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tenuki wrote:I'm in. Say $120 for 5%?



I think 20 may be the magic number.

20 participants puts the cost at $120 a piece, with each getting a case of wine.

If we have more than 20 participants, then I think we would need to do 2 barrels. A group larger than 20 might dilute the experience for everyone if we produced only 1 barrel.

Knowing that you'll be getting at least a case of wine, you may then have others sponsor part of your case if you choose. When we get a firm take on who would like to participate, maybe we can match up attendees with sponsors.

Would you all like to have Charlie come on here for a chat? He's quite a humorous fellow, and would fit right in here.

Tenuki, I saw a few threads back you had some decent winnings here; glad to hear it!

sanity


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javadrinker wrote:You know I'm in.

Great frickin' idea Sanity. Glad to see you back!!!!



Thanks!

Anyone have any thoughts yet on what varietals they'd like to work with? I'm assuming most will want to a blend of some sort; deciding will be challenging.

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Imagine4vr wrote:At 15 people that would be $160 a person plus travel. Would other people be interested in/or be able to "sponsor" a bottle of wine? I don't think we could legally sell it. Meaning for those unable to attend who'd like to taste our results. My budget is limited, just looking at ways to cut costs.

Other than the money, do we have to commit to a minimum # of people to help with crush/bottling etc.?



If it's in october, I won't be able to attend. If it's PS, I'll sponsor a case.

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cheron98


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sanity wrote:Thanks!

Anyone have any thoughts yet on what varietals they'd like to work with? I'm assuming most will want to a blend of some sort; deciding will be challenging.



Someone mentioned a blend of PS, Zin and Barbera. Whether it was in jest or not, this blend has me intrigued

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sanity


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PetiteSirah wrote:If it's in october, I won't be able to attend. If it's PS, I'll sponsor a case.



Charlie says we have a 5 week window for quality fruit, from approximately last week of September to last week of October.

How does last week of September sound to everyone? Let's kick around some dates.

sanity


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cheron98 wrote:Someone mentioned a blend of PS, Zin and Barbera. Whether it was in jest or not, this blend has me intrigued



I also like the idea of Syrah and a small amount of Viognier, or a blend including the cab franc, or....hmmm, I better narrow my choices.

cheron98


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sanity wrote:I also like the idea of Syrah and a small amount of Viognier, or a blend including the cab franc, or....hmmm, I better narrow my choices.



Thing about Syrah/Viognier - seems to be a pretty readily available, affordable blend out there (Have you tried Angoves Nine Vines?). I think it'd be much more interesting to make something that's a little harder to find.

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Seeing as this is our first attempt at wine making by consensus I say we go the classic approach. Maybe a bordeaux style blend or even a Super-Tuscan style blend (so we could compare our finished wine with Toothy and EHP). While I like creative wine making, it would blow to trying something new only to get stuck with a case of undrinkable wine.

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This sounds like a great idea. I would love to be included. I'm not sure how much help i'll be for picking varietals, probably none. But i'm willing to travel and I have bottling experience.

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No real thoughts on the blend yet.

I love the fact we're worried more than 20 people are going to descend on Vegas, such a great group.

Labels weren't mentioned on the website. Any idea if they provide them or we just get blank bottles? I might actually love blank bottles since I'd love to play around with the print your own label stuff and personalize some bottles (and probably grow to regret that decision).

CT

sanity


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tenuki wrote:No real thoughts on the blend yet.

I love the fact we're worried more than 20 people are going to descend on Vegas, such a great group.

Labels weren't mentioned on the website. Any idea if they provide them or we just get blank bottles? I might actually love blank bottles since I'd love to play around with the print your own label stuff and personalize some bottles (and probably grow to regret that decision).


Labeling is an optional service. We may design our own or choose from a stock selection, or go naked. We have such a creative bunch here, I'm sure we can come up with something fab. And not all the bottles have to be labeled; some can be set aside.

sanity


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javadrinker wrote:Seeing as this is our first attempt at wine making by consensus I say we go the classic approach. Maybe a bordeaux style blend or even a Super-Tuscan style blend (so we could compare our finished wine with Toothy and EHP). While I like creative wine making, it would blow to trying something new only to get stuck with a case of undrinkable wine.



Ok, I've narrowed my choices.

I'd like to do a Rhone style blend. Too boring?
Another choice would be a Super Tuscan.
Last choice would be the old vine Zin.

The quantities of each varietal chosen have to be in even crate increments, which are about 36 pounds each. A total of 860+ pounds goes into a barrel right? (I'm too lazy to look it up)

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sanity wrote:Ok, I've narrowed my choices.

I'd like to do a Rhone style blend. Too boring?
Another choice would be a Super Tuscan.
Last choice would be the old vine Zin.

The quantities of each varietal chosen have to be in even crate increments, which are about 36 pounds each. A total of 860+ pounds goes into a barrel right? (I'm too lazy to look it up)



My choice would be a Super Tuscan but I'm willing to go with the majority.

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I like the magic number of 20 people. As far as varietal selection goes, I am down for anything. I like Cheron's idea of doing something a little less ordinary, but agree with Java that this is our first time doing this so maybe something more familiar would be better.

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Can't do Vegas but would love to pick up a bottle or 2. (Like if TtheC wanted to split a case or something like that....)

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sanity wrote:Thanks!

Anyone have any thoughts yet on what varietals they'd like to work with? I'm assuming most will want to a blend of some sort; deciding will be challenging.



Ummm . . . I'll just watch! And be a cheerleader! Go, go, go wine woot folks, go! Give me a W, give me an I, give me an N, give me an E. That spells wine. Cheer, cheer, cheer. Hey, I'll be on the tasting panel though! Yea?



sanity


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First post edited to show a very preliminary list of interested people.

cjsiege


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cjsiege wrote:Due to crazy-assed testing, there is no way I can make it in person. But I will gladly sponsor at least 2 bottles. (Easy on the PS, there, all you PSychos!)


Me too, me too!

sanity


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cjsiege wrote:Me too, me too!



sorry, I edited to add you right after I saw that I missed you!